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27-10-2013, 03:37 PM
RE: Q&A with The_Thinking_Theist
(27-10-2013 02:48 PM)The_Thinking_Theist Wrote:  God created the Multiverse out of sheer will, and will sustain it forever.


Anyone want to dispute that?

That's nice and all. What's it got to do with us? Consider

But now I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth.

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27-10-2013, 03:44 PM
RE: Q&A with The_Thinking_Theist
(27-10-2013 03:13 PM)morondog Wrote:  
(27-10-2013 02:48 PM)The_Thinking_Theist Wrote:  God created the Multiverse out of sheer will, and will sustain it forever.


Anyone want to dispute that?

How do you know this ?

I meditate. Gets me to God. Try it sometime. It's easy, you don't need me to know.
But, since you guys don't like that response:

The atheistic response to the creation of the universe is usually a quick explanation of the Big Bang, maybe something about a Higgs-Boson particle. While that is probably true, why did that start? Where did the laws of motion and gravity come from? What about all those other universes that are probably real? Someone, or Something, intelligent beyond our imagination is the only logical conclusion. Call him a teapot or whatever, I don't care. What matters is that the evidence points to a transcendental spirit greater than man that is and yet is not the Universe created it out of benevolent will.
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27-10-2013, 03:46 PM
Q&A with The_Thinking_Theist
(27-10-2013 02:48 PM)The_Thinking_Theist Wrote:  God created the Multiverse out of sheer will, and will sustain it forever.


Anyone want to dispute that?

No matter how many universes there turn out to be in the multi-verse there will still be no evidence for any gods.

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27-10-2013, 03:48 PM
Q&A with The_Thinking_Theist
(27-10-2013 03:44 PM)The_Thinking_Theist Wrote:  
(27-10-2013 03:13 PM)morondog Wrote:  How do you know this ?

I meditate. Gets me to God. Try it sometime. It's easy, you don't need me to know.
But, since you guys don't like that response:

The atheistic response to the creation of the universe is usually a quick explanation of the Big Bang, maybe something about a Higgs-Boson particle. While that is probably true, why did that start? Where did the laws of motion and gravity come from? What about all those other universes that are probably real? Someone, or Something, intelligent beyond our imagination is the only logical conclusion. Call him a teapot or whatever, I don't care. What matters is that the evidence points to a transcendental spirit greater than man that is and yet is not the Universe created it out of benevolent will.

Why do you think that the laws of nature need a creator?

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27-10-2013, 03:51 PM
RE: Q&A with The_Thinking_Theist
(27-10-2013 03:44 PM)The_Thinking_Theist Wrote:  
(27-10-2013 03:13 PM)morondog Wrote:  How do you know this ?

I meditate. Gets me to God. Try it sometime. It's easy, you don't need me to know.
But, since you guys don't like that response:

The atheistic response to the creation of the universe is usually a quick explanation of the Big Bang, maybe something about a Higgs-Boson particle. While that is probably true, why did that start? Where did the laws of motion and gravity come from? What about all those other universes that are probably real? Someone, or Something, intelligent beyond our imagination is the only logical conclusion. Call him a teapot or whatever, I don't care. What matters is that the evidence points to a transcendental spirit greater than man that is and yet is not the Universe created it out of benevolent will.

You have no evidence, it is just your own thoughts and feelings.

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27-10-2013, 03:54 PM (This post was last modified: 27-10-2013 06:26 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Q&A with The_Thinking_Theist
(27-10-2013 02:48 PM)The_Thinking_Theist Wrote:  God created the Multiverse out of sheer will, and will sustain it forever.

Anyone want to dispute that?

Not really, since all your terms are meaningless.

1. What evidence do you have for a "multiverse" ? Be specific.
2. What evidence do you have that spacetime exists apart from this universe ?
(Necessary if your "forever" has any meaning)
3. What is this "will" you speak of, exactly, and explain exactly the mechanism for it, and the evidence for it ?
4. What is a "god" ? Is it "alive" ? (Use no term that references temporality, and explain the necessary exception).
5. Why did your deity exist in "eternity", call a halt to that "eternal state", and change (in time that hadn't been created yet), and "decide" to do something that was, from eternity, unnecessary ?
6. The universe has been proven to be non-intuitive, (illogical) to human brains. Are the findings from the double-slit experiment "logical" ?
Are Relativity and Uncertainty "logical" ? Nope. Are the tensors and matrices of Dirac "logical" ? No. What you cook up, as a NEEDED answer, because you are intolerant of ambiguity, speaks only of your needs, and psych condition, not Reality. Your use of logic, with no evidence, has no valid basis. An omnipotent deity, in your paradigm, could have created robot universe makers, whose property is to make universes for their amusement.

Take your time.

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27-10-2013, 03:54 PM
RE: Q&A with The_Thinking_Theist
(27-10-2013 03:44 PM)The_Thinking_Theist Wrote:  I meditate. Gets me to God. Try it sometime. It's easy, you don't need me to know.
So it's a *personal* revelation. I've tried it and found no God.

Quote:The atheistic response to the creation of the universe is usually a quick explanation of the Big Bang, maybe something about a Higgs-Boson particle. While that is probably true, why did that start? Where did the laws of motion and gravity come from? What about all those other universes that are probably real?
Don't know.

Quote:Someone, or Something, intelligent beyond our imagination is the only logical conclusion I can think of. Call him a teapot or whatever, I don't care. What matters is that the evidence points to a transcendental spirit greater than man that is and yet is not the Universe created it out of benevolent will.
Present your evidence. If it's meditation then... yeah, you can't assert a truth to something which is just your personal experience - how do you know your brain isn't throwing up false positives ?

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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27-10-2013, 04:08 PM
RE: Q&A with The_Thinking_Theist
(27-10-2013 03:44 PM)The_Thinking_Theist Wrote:  
(27-10-2013 03:13 PM)morondog Wrote:  How do you know this ?

I meditate. Gets me to God. Try it sometime. It's easy, you don't need me to know.
But, since you guys don't like that response:

The atheistic response to the creation of the universe is usually a quick explanation of the Big Bang, maybe something about a Higgs-Boson particle. While that is probably true, why did that start? Where did the laws of motion and gravity come from? What about all those other universes that are probably real? Someone, or Something, intelligent beyond our imagination is the only logical conclusion. Call him a teapot or whatever, I don't care. What matters is that the evidence points to a transcendental spirit greater than man that is and yet is not the Universe created it out of benevolent will.

Your last sentence... what evidence are you referring to? For a transcendental spirit?
Btw, we're all finite beings and lack the capacity to comprehend the beginnings of the cosmos. What's wrong with we don't know at this time? Doesn't that save a step from having to create things in your head during meditation?
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27-10-2013, 04:09 PM
RE: Q&A with The_Thinking_Theist
(27-10-2013 03:44 PM)The_Thinking_Theist Wrote:  
(27-10-2013 03:13 PM)morondog Wrote:  How do you know this ?

I meditate. Gets me to God. Try it sometime. It's easy, you don't need me to know.
But, since you guys don't like that response:

The atheistic response to the creation of the universe is usually a quick explanation of the Big Bang, maybe something about a Higgs-Boson particle. While that is probably true, why did that start? Where did the laws of motion and gravity come from? What about all those other universes that are probably real? Someone, or Something, intelligent beyond our imagination is the only logical conclusion. Call him a teapot or whatever, I don't care. What matters is that the evidence points to a transcendental spirit greater than man that is and yet is not the Universe created it out of benevolent will.

You know and we know that arguing about what is, or if there is "evidence" will get us nowhere.

I'll ask my question from a few posts back again. Let's assume there is an ultimate creator and sustainer. What does that have to do with us?

But now I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth.

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27-10-2013, 04:11 PM
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(27-10-2013 04:09 PM)evenheathen Wrote:  Let's assume there is an ultimate creator and sustainer. What does that have to do with us?

He wants your money...

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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