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13-03-2015, 04:43 AM
Question about flood
I asked a christian yesterday about how Noah and his animals could survive the altitude of 8000m and the oxygen problems.

He said "The sea could be at different heights/levels at different parts of the world as you don't need 8000m with water to cover England as an example."
"There can be local floods without other countries being flood, too."

Is this a valid arguement?
Could the waterlevel be different at different places in the world and therefore eliminating the altitude arguement?
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13-03-2015, 04:56 AM
RE: Question about flood
(13-03-2015 04:43 AM)Typho2k Wrote:  I asked a christian yesterday about how Noah and his animals could survive the altitude of 8000m and the oxygen problems.

He said "The sea could be at different heights/levels at different parts of the world as you don't need 8000m with water to cover England as an example."
"There can be local floods without other countries being flood, too."

Is this a valid arguement?
Could the waterlevel be different at different places in the world and therefore eliminating the altitude arguement?

Of course not. Water levels would be "horizontal" across the world, so if water reaches the highest mountain, Mt. Everest (8.84 Km above the sea), then it would cover all of the world.

The only difference you see in levels of bodies of water across the world is because they're usually in different systems, separated from the main mass of water. Such as with lakes or enclosed seas.

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13-03-2015, 05:08 AM
RE: Question about flood
You're going to run into tremendous cognitive dissonance discussing the flood story with a believer, it immediately runs into a scientific wall that it can't survive, but a believer will come up with one excuse after another. The atmosphere becomes too saturated with moisture to even breath, Noah and animals suffocate before they even get on the ark. End of story, but that is just the beginning of the excuse making for this impossible tale.

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13-03-2015, 05:33 AM (This post was last modified: 13-03-2015 06:18 AM by DLJ.)
RE: Question about flood
That has to be the lamest argument I've ever heard.

It deserves only one kind of response...

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13-03-2015, 06:16 AM
RE: Question about flood
(13-03-2015 05:08 AM)TheInquisition Wrote:  You're going to run into tremendous cognitive dissonance discussing the flood story with a believer, it immediately runs into a scientific wall that it can't survive, but a believer will come up with one excuse after another. The atmosphere becomes too saturated with moisture to even breath, Noah and animals suffocate before they even get on the ark. End of story, but that is just the beginning of the excuse making for this impossible tale.

Exactly.

This is one of those things I very seldom discuss with believers anymore. Flood apologetics are the worst. This is in part because the story is so ridiculous (both in terms of feasibility and wondering why God chose this option when he had limitless others), and also because the story is so abhorrent.

If you have any respect for that person, you likely don't want to get them to a place where they have to defend why WHWH drowned countless babies when he was mad at their parents when he clearly has the ability to just give their parents heart attacks or turn them into pillars of salt, or something. Down that road just lies pseudoscience, creepy, creepy morality, and tears.
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13-03-2015, 07:36 AM
RE: Question about flood
Ask him/her if a glass of water pours on a flat table, is does it stay two inches deep in one part of the table and 1/8 of an inch in another part of the table?
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13-03-2015, 07:52 AM
RE: Question about flood
There is no altitude problem.

If the sea level rises, the pressure at that new level is 14.7 lb/sq.in. (average) regardless of the rise.

Repeat after me:
There is no altitude problem.
There is no altitude problem.
There is no altitude problem.

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13-03-2015, 08:16 AM
RE: Question about flood
(13-03-2015 07:52 AM)Chas Wrote:  There is no altitude problem.

If the sea level rises, the pressure at that new level is 14.7 lb/sq.in. (average) regardless of the rise.

Repeat after me:
There is no altitude problem.
There is no altitude problem.
There is no altitude problem.

Indeed.

These flood victims have an aptitude and / or an attitude problem.

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13-03-2015, 09:17 AM (This post was last modified: 13-03-2015 09:28 AM by The Organic Chemist.)
RE: Question about flood
I second what DLJ said. That is one of the dumbest apologetic answers I have ever heard. If that were true, then the oceans would cover the earth. If what he says is true, then that would mean that the physics of the universe would have to be suspended. (insert the Hume response) Not likely. Also, this is not what the Genesis account says:

Quote:Genesis 7:
17 For forty days the flood kept coming on the earth, and as the waters increased they lifted the ark high above the earth. 18 The waters rose and increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of the water. 19 They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered. 20 The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than fifteen cubits. 21

This does not say anything about the water surface violating physics. They are projecting information into the story that simply is not there.

Edit: I would actually disagree with the pressure that Chas says. The pressure would be lower. The air pressure is based on the weight of the atmosphere per unit area. If you think of the surface of the earth as flat and the number of gaseous molecules surrounding it is constant (which is a slightly larger sphere), then if the radius of the surface is increased, that will make the gaseous region be thinner to compensate for the increased volume of the sphere as the radius of the air jacket. This will decrease the weight of the air over the same unit area thereby decreasing the air pressure. The VOLUME of the atmosphere did not change, but the circumference of the atmospheric sphere increased. By increasing the radius of the earth by 8.8 km (the height of Everest) you are increasing the size of the inner sphere and that will push the size of the outer sphere (the atmosphere) out and thin it out. If you are interested, we can actually calculate it out. Actually, I might do that anyway.

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13-03-2015, 10:32 AM
RE: Question about flood
Here Chas, the atmosphere would be 7 km closer than it is currently with 8 km of flood water. That would decrease the air pressure, not keep it constant.

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