Question for atheists...
Post Reply
 
Thread Rating:
  • 2 Votes - 3 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
26-03-2016, 09:58 PM
RE: Question for atheists...
(26-03-2016 09:51 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  
(26-03-2016 09:17 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  1. If your god exists, it exists in a timeless environment, not an environment with infinite time. (Theology for Dummies)

2. You have no clue what conditions precipitated the Big Bang. You can, therefore, say nothing about its cause.
Thought is greater than God.
Thought can create God.
God can only exist if we think God exists.
Without thoughts God cannot exist.
In the realm of thoughts, all thoughts exist simultaneously and can be accessed instantly. I can think of the future first and the past last. I can think of infinity, I can think of nothing & I can think of everything.
Thoughts can create something from nothing.
I can imagine a shape that I have never seen before and thus i have created the shape from nothing.
Thoughts can be merciful, while they can be merciless.
Thoughts can be loving as well as hateful.
This is why God needs us. Without us (our thoughts) God ceases to exist.
Thoughts are the basis of everything thing we know.
Without a thought you can never know anything.
The only Good thing is a thought.
The only bad thing is a thought.
Reality cannot exist without thoughts because you have to first think of reality before you can rationalize it's existence.
There is no possible situation where reality can exist to you without you being able to think about it's existence.
There is nothing that has more power over reality than a thought.
Pain does not exist to me if I stop thinking about it.
Love cannot occur to me if I don't give it some thought.
Reality is based on thoughts, but thoughts are not based on reality.
Remove your thoughts and nothing matters to you.

Thought owns us all, whether we like it or not Sad

We do not give our thoughts enough credit.
Reject God & worship Your thoughts and you will become the ultimate Atheist.

New Atheist religion in the making, and I collect tides just like all the rest. Credit cards accepted too.

Who can tell if I'm being serious here or not by the way?

This isn't "The Bad Poem" thread.

Insufferable know-it-all.Einstein God has a plan for us. Please stop screwing it up with your prayers.
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 2 users Like Bucky Ball's post
26-03-2016, 09:58 PM
RE: Question for atheists...
(26-03-2016 09:54 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(26-03-2016 09:50 PM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  While I enjoy you listing off the most well known of the Rouges Gallery, and rolled my eyes at you comparing yourself to any hero considering you are almost universally reviled here, I looked and I looked and I looked and I looked for anything in your post that actually addressed me demonstrating your stupidity and incompetence but I found nothing. I guess your conceding the fact of your incompetence, fantastic. I appreciate it.

You work for god? How sad and pathetic a god you believe in if he not only needs people working for him but you, a illiterate, uneducated, and arrogant fool, are the best he has to send.

The only Kingdom you are going to find after death CotW is that of the worms.Drinking Beverage

I think he was just trying to lay the ground-work for revealing he likes to diddle with the Boy Wonder.
Eh, makes as much sense as anything else he does.

It is held that valour is the chiefest virtue and most dignifies the haver.
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
26-03-2016, 09:58 PM
RE: Question for atheists...
(26-03-2016 09:03 PM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  
(26-03-2016 08:18 PM)Chas Wrote:  No, your question is nonsense. "Possessed" is not a mathematical or scientific term, and infinities are spanned all the time.

Catman, what I mean by "possessed" is, one cannot have an actual infinite number/amount of things at one's disposal.

You cannot have or be in possession of an actual infinite amount of baseball cards, or marbles, or tops. I dont give a DAMN whether it is a mathematical/scientific term or not...because that is IRRELEVANT to whether or not one can possess an infinite number/amount of things.

So your objection is bullshit. It is worthless, unwarranted, unfounded, and irrelevant. It has no basis, or purpose.

(26-03-2016 08:18 PM)Chas Wrote:  You don't understand it, and you are too stupid to recognize it.

Begone, catman.

Time is not things, you ignorant twat.

Quote:
(26-03-2016 08:18 PM)Chas Wrote:  I'm still waiting for you to explain how Hilbert's mathematics supports your cartoon view of infinity.

Hilbert's Hotel. But before you can Google ways to refute the Hilberts Hotel paradox, please go to our previous discussion on this issue..the one where you were owned. If you STILL cannot adequately address any of those points I raised, then please...stop typing to me.

You do not understand the point. Being a paradox does not mean it is not possible, it means it is non-intuitive.

You do not understand the mathematics.

Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
[Image: flagstiny%206.gif]
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 4 users Like Chas's post
26-03-2016, 09:59 PM
RE: Question for atheists...
(26-03-2016 09:57 PM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  
(26-03-2016 09:51 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  Thought owns us all, whether we like it or not Sad

You can't confine your masturbating to one of the four stupid as fuck threads you have already spouted your nonsense in. I enjoy a good derailing as much as the next guy but shut up Shane.
Didn't you put me on ignore? Why do you love torturing yourself?
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
26-03-2016, 09:59 PM
RE: Question for atheists...
(26-03-2016 09:12 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  
(26-03-2016 08:18 PM)Chas Wrote:  No, your question is nonsense. "Possessed" is not a mathematical or scientific term, and infinities are spanned all the time.

You don't understand it, and you are too stupid to recognize it.

I'm still waiting for you to explain how Hilbert's mathematics supports your cartoon view of infinity.
Can I play this imaginary game too?
I see your "infinity" and raise you an "all"
I have 1 "all of infinity"
Do I win?

Win? You're not even in the game with that incoherent post.

Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
[Image: flagstiny%206.gif]
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 1 user Likes Chas's post
26-03-2016, 10:00 PM
RE: Question for atheists...
(26-03-2016 09:59 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(26-03-2016 09:12 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  Can I play this imaginary game too?
I see your "infinity" and raise you an "all"
I have 1 "all of infinity"
Do I win?

Win? You're not even in the game with that incoherent post.
Sore loser.
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
26-03-2016, 10:01 PM
RE: Question for atheists...
(26-03-2016 09:58 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(26-03-2016 09:51 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  Thought is greater than God.
Thought can create God.
God can only exist if we think God exists.
Without thoughts God cannot exist.
In the realm of thoughts, all thoughts exist simultaneously and can be accessed instantly. I can think of the future first and the past last. I can think of infinity, I can think of nothing & I can think of everything.
Thoughts can create something from nothing.
I can imagine a shape that I have never seen before and thus i have created the shape from nothing.
Thoughts can be merciful, while they can be merciless.
Thoughts can be loving as well as hateful.
This is why God needs us. Without us (our thoughts) God ceases to exist.
Thoughts are the basis of everything thing we know.
Without a thought you can never know anything.
The only Good thing is a thought.
The only bad thing is a thought.
Reality cannot exist without thoughts because you have to first think of reality before you can rationalize it's existence.
There is no possible situation where reality can exist to you without you being able to think about it's existence.
There is nothing that has more power over reality than a thought.
Pain does not exist to me if I stop thinking about it.
Love cannot occur to me if I don't give it some thought.
Reality is based on thoughts, but thoughts are not based on reality.
Remove your thoughts and nothing matters to you.

Thought owns us all, whether we like it or not Sad

We do not give our thoughts enough credit.
Reject God & worship Your thoughts and you will become the ultimate Atheist.

New Atheist religion in the making, and I collect tides just like all the rest. Credit cards accepted too.

Who can tell if I'm being serious here or not by the way?

This isn't "The Bad Poem" thread.
Then what is it?
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
26-03-2016, 10:03 PM
RE: Question for atheists...
(26-03-2016 09:18 PM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  
(26-03-2016 08:44 PM)Astreja Wrote:  Something is infinite, or it is not infinite. This applies as much to your alleged god as it does to the universe and whatever might have come before.

Right, it does. But again, no one is saying that God endured through an infinite amount of time, like we do with the universe.

(26-03-2016 08:44 PM)Astreja Wrote:  All you have there is an argument from incredulity with a side of special pleading.

It isn't incredulity if I EXPLAINED why the universe can't be infinite. For some (obvious) reason, you seem to have responded to EVERYTHING I said BUT the explanation I gave in regards to that. Laugh out loadLaugh out load

(26-03-2016 08:44 PM)Astreja Wrote:  "Has to be" is an unsupported assertion. It is not yet demonstrated that the universe requires a First cause, nor is it demonstrated that the supposed First Cause has to be sentient, and you definitely haven't linked it to the god of the Bible.

Remember this? This is from my prior post to you. This is what you conveniently ignored. This is what isn't going anywhere. This is the reason why naturalism is defeated. This is why there must have been a First Cause.

"<----------Past infinity-------------------------Big Bang Event-------------------------Future infinity----->


There is no equal point from the big bang event to past infinity. So for example, lets say that our big bang is the effect of an infinite number of prior big bangs.

Follow me so far?

Now, how many big bang events was needed to create our big bang? An infinite amount, right?

But you should still be able to place a natural number on every single big bang event which preceded ours, right?

So imagine if you counted ALL of the bang events in numerical order which lead to our big bang...and you arrived at our big bang...what number is our big bang??

You answer can't be "infinity" because infinity isn't a number. So what would our big bang number be?


(26-03-2016 08:44 PM)Astreja Wrote:  So if the universe doesn't have to be here (and indeed nothing needs to be here)

*sigh* Something does "need" to be here.

(26-03-2016 08:44 PM)Astreja Wrote:  let's just extend that one step further and consider that a universe-creating god also doesn't need to exist. In short, if we don't need watches, we don't need watchmakers either.

The universe began to exist, Astreja. Everything that begins to exist has a cause.

(26-03-2016 08:44 PM)Astreja Wrote:  That's precisely why I think creation ex nihilo is nonsense.

Of course, that is why you are a naturalist. Naturalists typically think that unnatural stuff is nonsense, ya know.

You are making an utter fool of yourself. You should stop until you learn the mathematics that you are so absurdly misusing.
You don't understand that the smallest infinity is a countable infinity. It is countable because you can, in fact, map a natural number to each and every one of that infinity of events.

Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
[Image: flagstiny%206.gif]
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
26-03-2016, 10:04 PM
RE: Question for atheists...
(26-03-2016 09:18 PM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  But again, no one is saying that God endured through an infinite amount of time, like we do with the universe.

In the absence of evidence for your god, to say that it endured anything is an existential fallacy.

Quote:It isn't incredulity if I EXPLAINED why the universe can't be infinite.

I reject your explanation as logically and empirically inadequate. You keep saying that things have to be this way or can't possibly be that way, but I don't see any actual data in support of your assertions.

Quote:Remember this? This is from my prior post to you. This is what you conveniently ignored. This is what isn't going anywhere. This is the reason why naturalism is defeated. This is why there must have been a First Cause.

First Cause still not proven, as all you have is a bare assertion regarding your particular opinion on infinity. Assertion rejected.

Quote:*sigh* Something does "need" to be here.

Nope. Why would it need to be here? What's driving that need?

Quote:The universe began to exist, Astreja. Everything that begins to exist has a cause.

This universe began to exist -- But I believe that it is based on some physical substance that was already in existence, and that it was not created by any supernatural beings but by insentient natural forces.

Quote:Of course, that is why you are a naturalist. Naturalists typically think that unnatural stuff is nonsense, ya know.

And I am quite content being a naturalist.
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 2 users Like Astreja's post
26-03-2016, 10:05 PM
RE: Question for atheists...
(26-03-2016 09:51 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  
(26-03-2016 09:17 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  1. If your god exists, it exists in a timeless environment, not an environment with infinite time. (Theology for Dummies)

2. You have no clue what conditions precipitated the Big Bang. You can, therefore, say nothing about its cause.
Thought is greater than God.
Thought can create God.
God can only exist if we think God exists.
Without thoughts God cannot exist.
In the realm of thoughts, all thoughts exist simultaneously and can be accessed instantly. I can think of the future first and the past last. I can think of infinity, I can think of nothing & I can think of everything.
Thoughts can create something from nothing.
I can imagine a shape that I have never seen before and thus i have created the shape from nothing.
Thoughts can be merciful, while they can be merciless.
Thoughts can be loving as well as hateful.
This is why God needs us. Without us (our thoughts) God ceases to exist.
Thoughts are the basis of everything thing we know.
Without a thought you can never know anything.
The only Good thing is a thought.
The only bad thing is a thought.
Reality cannot exist without thoughts because you have to first think of reality before you can rationalize it's existence.
There is no possible situation where reality can exist to you without you being able to think about it's existence.
There is nothing that has more power over reality than a thought.
Pain does not exist to me if I stop thinking about it.
Love cannot occur to me if I don't give it some thought.
Reality is based on thoughts, but thoughts are not based on reality.
Remove your thoughts and nothing matters to you.

Thought owns us all, whether we like it or not Sad

We do not give our thoughts enough credit.
Reject God & worship Your thoughts and you will become the ultimate Atheist.

New Atheist religion in the making, and I collect tides just like all the rest. Credit cards accepted too.

Who can tell if I'm being serious here or not by the way?

That was a ridiculous pile of crap. Facepalm
Thought does not create 'things' or beings. It remains thought.

Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
[Image: flagstiny%206.gif]
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 2 users Like Chas's post
Post Reply
Forum Jump: