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29-03-2016, 10:35 AM
RE: Question for atheists...
(29-03-2016 08:18 AM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  
(28-03-2016 04:37 PM)Chas Wrote:  You claimed Hilbert's Paradox shows infinity to be absurd. You are wrong; it shows infinity to be non-intuitive. You do not understand Hilbert or infinity.
I said it, meant it, and stand by it.

(29-03-2016 10:24 AM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  
(29-03-2016 08:37 AM)morondog Wrote:  Fuck you're an idiot. Mathematics is not subject to belief you clown. There's no "The Bible says it, I believe it, that proves it" in the scientific world. What it shows is that you're a cognitive-dissonant imbecile.

I don't recall saying nor implying that "mathematics is subject to belief". I neither said that, or implied it...nor is such a thing implied in the bit that YOU quoted.

Please explain how the fuck your words bolded above do not imply that you think your beliefs trump mathematics?

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29-03-2016, 10:41 AM
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(29-03-2016 10:24 AM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  
(29-03-2016 08:37 AM)morondog Wrote:  Fuck you're an idiot. Mathematics is not subject to belief you clown. There's no "The Bible says it, I believe it, that proves it" in the scientific world. What it shows is that you're a cognitive-dissonant imbecile.

I don't recall saying nor implying that "mathematics is subject to belief". I neither said that, or implied it...nor is such a thing implied in the bit that YOU quoted.

So either this is just one helleva example of lack of reading comprehension...or you are fallaciously attacking straw man.

Either way, shame on you Yes

Address the issues in the vid about how evil you christards are and stop these avoidance tactics. And shame on you for believing in such a shameful belief system - christardology.

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29-03-2016, 12:01 PM
RE: Question for atheists...
(29-03-2016 10:35 AM)morondog Wrote:  
(29-03-2016 08:18 AM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  I said it, meant it, and stand by it.

(29-03-2016 10:24 AM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  I don't recall saying nor implying that "mathematics is subject to belief". I neither said that, or implied it...nor is such a thing implied in the bit that YOU quoted.

Please explain how the fuck your words bolded above do not imply that you think your beliefs trump mathematics?

*Pats on head* now, now, now, junior. Reading comprehension is key to understanding. I am implying that what I SAID is actually in line with mathematics, which is completely contrary to your erroneous comprehension that I implied that it "trumps" mathematics.

*Pats on head* now run along, and go play. Dinner will be ready soon and its almost bedtime.
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29-03-2016, 12:06 PM
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You are amazingly delusional, a veritable poster child for the Dunning-Kruger Effect.
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29-03-2016, 12:14 PM
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(29-03-2016 12:06 PM)Rik Wrote:  You are amazingly delusional, a veritable poster child for the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

Dunning-Kruger Effect? Is that prequel to A Nightmare of Elm Street ? Laugh out load
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29-03-2016, 12:17 PM
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(29-03-2016 12:14 PM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  
(29-03-2016 12:06 PM)Rik Wrote:  You are amazingly delusional, a veritable poster child for the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

Dunning-Kruger Effect? Is that prequel to A Nightmare of Elm Street ? Laugh out load

Do you find that your ignorance amuses people?
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29-03-2016, 12:35 PM
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(29-03-2016 08:18 AM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  I said it, meant it, and stand by it.

I am curious how you arrived to the conclusion that Hilbert's paradox of the Grand Hotel shows that infinity is absurd?

We know infinity is possible because there are infinite real numbers between 1 and 2. For instance we can have numbers such as:
- 1.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000001
- 1.1
- 1.94849098742097429872897349874809743987423987349873498743
- Etc.

We also know that some sets of infinity are bigger than other sets. For instance, the infinite set between 1 and 2 is less than the set between 1 and 4.

...and we also have natural numbers of infinity 1, 2, 3, 4....

Hilbert's Paradox is based on countable sets of infinity using natural numbers. The hotel has infinite rooms, and the rooms are infinitely full. <- That statement doesn't say that every possible room is full - it says that it is infinitely full. Meaning that if you were to count the guests, it would take an infinite amount of time to do so.

Looking at it another way, (and using real numbers instead to make the point and sort of getting sloppy to make sense of it all....) suppose you had a hotel that could hold a total number of guests that was an infinite set similar to the infinite set of numbers between 1 and 10. (examples: 1.1, 9.0000000004, etc.)

A bus shows up that has an infinite set of passengers equal to the infinite set of numbers between the numbers 1 and 1.01. You could put all of them in the hotel, and you could take another bus and another and another and so on.

To me it makes sense. Why do you find it to be absurd when we know that you can have infinite sets that are different sizes?
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29-03-2016, 02:46 PM
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(29-03-2016 10:24 AM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  
(29-03-2016 08:37 AM)morondog Wrote:  Fuck you're an idiot. Mathematics is not subject to belief you clown. There's no "The Bible says it, I believe it, that proves it" in the scientific world. What it shows is that you're a cognitive-dissonant imbecile.

I don't recall saying nor implying that "mathematics is subject to belief". I neither said that, or implied it...nor is such a thing implied in the bit that YOU quoted.

So either this is just one helleva example of lack of reading comprehension...or you are fallaciously attacking straw man.

Either way, shame on you Yes
I think Chas is right, Hilbert didn't say infinity was absurd.
What does "subject to belief" mean though?
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29-03-2016, 02:56 PM (This post was last modified: 29-03-2016 03:16 PM by Agnostic Shane.)
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(29-03-2016 12:35 PM)drymetal Wrote:  
(29-03-2016 08:18 AM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  I said it, meant it, and stand by it.

I am curious how you arrived to the conclusion that Hilbert's paradox of the Grand Hotel shows that infinity is absurd?

We know infinity is possible because there are infinite real numbers between 1 and 2. For instance we can have numbers such as:
- 1.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000001
- 1.1
- 1.94849098742097429872897349874809743987423987349873498743
- Etc.

We also know that some sets of infinity are bigger than other sets. For instance, the infinite set between 1 and 2 is less than the set between 1 and 4.

...and we also have natural numbers of infinity 1, 2, 3, 4....

Hilbert's Paradox is based on countable sets of infinity using natural numbers. The hotel has infinite rooms, and the rooms are infinitely full. <- That statement doesn't say that every possible room is full - it says that it is infinitely full. Meaning that if you were to count the guests, it would take an infinite amount of time to do so.

Looking at it another way, (and using real numbers instead to make the point and sort of getting sloppy to make sense of it all....) suppose you had a hotel that could hold a total number of guests that was an infinite set similar to the infinite set of numbers between 1 and 10. (examples: 1.1, 9.0000000004, etc.)

A bus shows up that has an infinite set of passengers equal to the infinite set of numbers between the numbers 1 and 1.01. You could put all of them in the hotel, and you could take another bus and another and another and so on.

To me it makes sense. Why do you find it to be absurd when we know that you can have infinite sets that are different sizes?
Infinite fractions cannot be achieved in physical reality.
We cannot divide past the Planck length. At least not as far as we currently know of.
There exists no object known to man that has an infinite amount of Planck lengths which can make up it's components. If you continue examining components at the planck length level you will eventually reach a limit.
All numbers when used to count something is just a simplified average of all the components that make up the thing unless you are counting planck lengths.
Numbers become accurate totals only if you are counting Planck lengths and they do not go to infinity.
The exists no such number as half Planck length, etc as far as physical reality is concerned.

Of course this only applies to physical reality and not non physical realities. Anything goes as far as the imagination is concerned.
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29-03-2016, 03:24 PM
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(29-03-2016 02:56 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  Infinite fractions cannot be achieved in physical reality.

I was talking about infinite sets. Not physical reality.
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