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19-10-2016, 05:00 AM
RE: Question for atheists...
(18-10-2016 08:36 AM)Deesse23 Wrote:  
(18-10-2016 07:37 AM)theBorg Wrote:  There is always a sense, if there is no proof of the nonsense. Read the signature:

Nope, no, nonsense...again Drinking Beverage

As example:

The Voynich manuscript
is not readable (yet), but it is not necessarily a nonsense.


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19-10-2016, 05:29 AM
RE: Question for atheists...
(19-10-2016 05:00 AM)theBorg Wrote:  
(18-10-2016 08:36 AM)Deesse23 Wrote:  Nope, no, nonsense...again Drinking Beverage

So what is the sense of the manuscript, if there is no proof of nonsense? Drinking Beverage

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19-10-2016, 06:42 AM
RE: Question for atheists...
(19-10-2016 05:29 AM)Deesse23 Wrote:  
(19-10-2016 05:00 AM)theBorg Wrote:  

So what is the sense of the manuscript, if there is no proof of nonsense? Drinking Beverage

The sense of Voynich manuscript is: 1) hidden, or 2) absent (thus, the text would be nonsense). The right case is to be determined.

But, dear friends, there is hypothesis, what the manuscript will be decoded. Hereby, I have such amazing knowledge (need the link?): if something can increase the chances of success (of a hypothesis, which was long fruitlessly studied), then the hypothesis certainly is true.
Thus, provided, what humankind will live long enough, the manuscript will be decoded. And indeed:

A Preliminary Analysis of the Botany, Zoology, and Mineralogy of the Voynich Manuscript
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19-10-2016, 09:17 AM
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(19-10-2016 06:42 AM)theBorg Wrote:  
(19-10-2016 05:29 AM)Deesse23 Wrote:  So what is the sense of the manuscript, if there is no proof of nonsense? Drinking Beverage

The sense of Voynich manuscript is: 1) hidden, or 2) absent (thus, the text would be nonsense). The right case is to be determined.

You claimed:
Quote:There is always a sense, if there is no proof of the nonsense.

So what is the sense? Read it from my lips: what.is.the.fucking.sense.? No possible "hidden" sense, no "preliminary" sense, but the sense you claimed it has, because "There is always a sense, if there is no proof of the nonsense". Drinking Beverage

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19-10-2016, 09:23 AM
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(19-10-2016 09:17 AM)Deesse23 Wrote:  
(19-10-2016 06:42 AM)theBorg Wrote:  The sense of Voynich manuscript is: 1) hidden, or 2) absent (thus, the text would be nonsense). The right case is to be determined.

You claimed:
Quote:There is always a sense, if there is no proof of the nonsense.

So what is the sense? Read it from my lips: what.is.the.fucking.sense.? No possible "hidden" sense, no "preliminary" sense, but the sense you claimed it has, because "There is always a sense, if there is no proof of the nonsense". Drinking Beverage

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19-10-2016, 07:38 PM
RE: Question for atheists...
(19-10-2016 06:42 AM)theBorg Wrote:  
(19-10-2016 05:29 AM)Deesse23 Wrote:  So what is the sense of the manuscript, if there is no proof of nonsense? Drinking Beverage

The sense of Voynich manuscript is: 1) hidden, or 2) absent (thus, the text would be nonsense). The right case is to be determined.

But, dear friends, there is hypothesis, what the manuscript will be decoded. Hereby, I have such amazing knowledge (need the link?): if something can increase the chances of success (of a hypothesis, which was long fruitlessly studied), then the hypothesis certainly is true.
Thus, provided, what humankind will live long enough, the manuscript will be decoded. And indeed:

A Preliminary Analysis of the Botany, Zoology, and Mineralogy of the Voynich Manuscript

I don't put a lot of credence in the analysis by a whackadoodle herbalist. Drinking Beverage

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30-12-2016, 12:36 AM
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(18-10-2016 12:32 AM)theBorg Wrote:  
(17-10-2016 01:52 PM)Commonsensei Wrote:  ...........
Dogma's can not be held in science. ............
Personal opinion are irrelevant. .......... Nor do I have any examples of a being that would be counted as a god in Real Life. .........

1) Please give us the list of dogma's, which were destroyed by the Science.

2) The complexity of the human brain is more than the complexity of Universe. Thus, pay some respect to the opinions. They are OUTPUTS. Look: when the GRID of CERN computers gave the final answer: "Higgs Boson does exist", the people are paying respect to this output, however nobody can trace it.

3) Read about the Jesus Christ. The Bible, and the interpretation of the Holy Fathers.

Much of the dogmas of Cosmo Indicopleutes Christian Topology. The Earth is not flat and there is life on the antipodes and more. Luckily, not many people ever took him that seriously.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmas_Indicopleustes
During the era of Christopher Columbus the RCC was touchy about the claims that there was life possible at he antipodes. Trips to South America busted that dogma.

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12-03-2017, 01:06 AM
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(19-03-2016 09:51 AM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  Greetings all,

My question is for the atheists out there. This is a serious question and I'd like serious answers. Let's try to keep the bullshit to a minimum, shall we?

Now, as we all know, when you ask atheists about their lack of belief in God, they will say things like "I don't believe in God, just like I don't believe in the Easter Bunny, Santa Clause, the Tooth Fairy" (insert as many make-believe characters you'd like).

That being said, I am a Christian Theist, so I can only look through the lens of Christianity (Judeo-Christianity)..so..

My question is; Do you really believe that the Christian's belief in God is synonymous to believing in Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy?? Because to me, if there was an adult that seriously and earnestly believed in Santa Claus/Tooth Fairy, I would probably think that something is wrong with him/her. I would think "I don't understand how rational human being (adult) could ever believe in such a thing".

Is that how you atheists view Christians? Do you really believe that our belief in God is similar to belief in Santa Claus..or is that just something you say to be facetious??

Is it to the extent where you pass by a Church on Sunday, and you see all of the Church attendees in the parking lot greeting each other...and you say to yourself "What a bunch of idiots..."

Is that what you think? I am just curious, as I am trying to figure out how far to the left some of you are on the "belief" line Laugh out load

The short answer to your question is. Yes, and I do think its not much different than an adult believing in Santa Claus. Your conclusion its close enough. Then again some people believe in a flat earth, I put it all kinda in the same general category. Lots of people have stupid ideas, you can't help them all. That's life.

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12-03-2017, 10:25 AM
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(12-03-2017 01:06 AM)JesseB Wrote:  
(19-03-2016 09:51 AM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  Greetings all,

My question is for the atheists out there. This is a serious question and I'd like serious answers. Let's try to keep the bullshit to a minimum, shall we?

Now, as we all know, when you ask atheists about their lack of belief in God, they will say things like "I don't believe in God, just like I don't believe in the Easter Bunny, Santa Clause, the Tooth Fairy" (insert as many make-believe characters you'd like).

That being said, I am a Christian Theist, so I can only look through the lens of Christianity (Judeo-Christianity)..so..

My question is; Do you really believe that the Christian's belief in God is synonymous to believing in Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy?? Because to me, if there was an adult that seriously and earnestly believed in Santa Claus/Tooth Fairy, I would probably think that something is wrong with him/her. I would think "I don't understand how rational human being (adult) could ever believe in such a thing".

Is that how you atheists view Christians? Do you really believe that our belief in God is similar to belief in Santa Claus..or is that just something you say to be facetious??

Is it to the extent where you pass by a Church on Sunday, and you see all of the Church attendees in the parking lot greeting each other...and you say to yourself "What a bunch of idiots..."

Is that what you think? I am just curious, as I am trying to figure out how far to the left some of you are on the "belief" line Laugh out load

The short answer to your question is. Yes, and I do think its not much different than an adult believing in Santa Claus. Your conclusion its close enough. Then again some people believe in a flat earth, I put it all kinda in the same general category. Lots of people have stupid ideas, you can't help them all. That's life.
What makes it more rational for anyone to believe a sentient observer does not exist though?
I'm Agnostic Atheist, but I have a theory that a sentient observer is most likely the cause of what we perceive as reality. That sentient observer is us.

Our reality is only observed because we choose to observe it.
All realities exist but it is only when we attempt to observe it that it can present itself for observation.
Reality, therefore, is not created but simply observed.

Amazing facts:
Perfectly identical twins never share the exact same personality. The only thing physically different about them from birth is their brain wave frequency. Every brain caries it's own frequency & is unique to that brain.
E=mc2 therefore nothing can be created or destroyed within a closed system.
So what produced this frequency and what happens to it when we die?

Further speculation:
In this system 2 or more observers will only end up observing the same reality depending on which path they choose.
All cognitive life forms are examples of sentient observers
Observation begins and ends only when we die but it does not collapse anything

Even further speculation (really bordering on fairy tale here):
All observers are removed parts of a single bored sentient source (is one)
When we die our personality goes back to the source (alpha/omega)
All observers are unique (free will)
Specific observers can enter the system more than once if the source wills (dejavu/reincarnation)
Less observers = bored source (thou shall not kill/10 commandments/blah blah)
Source has no power over reality (global suffering)
Source can only interfere with the system via special observers (prophets) but cannot change reality
We are a product of the sources boredom
If the full source entered the system all observers would become one and the system would crash
Time (a series of events) does not exist outside of the system
The system is always being influenced for the source's entertainment

Questions:
Why does the source need worship?
Where does the devil fit into all of this?
Where does hell fit into all of this?
What does it matter where we come from and where we are going if nothing we do can change it?
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12-03-2017, 10:35 AM
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Hello JesseB! Big Grin

Call_of_the_Wild doesn't post about the place much any more.... probably on account of them being rather excentric in their veiws, along with not playing we with others.

There's little hope Call will respond, though best of luck interacting eith Agnostic Shane should you wish. Thumbsup
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