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23-01-2013, 09:44 AM
RE: Question for theists: What would make you change your faith?
I love the free speech in this forum. No subject is taboo and the core group of theists and atheists cover a huge range of topics.

I love the trolls. For those who can't stand them, maybe this forum should have an "Ignore" feature. I'm pretty sure it's an option for the user menu.

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23-01-2013, 09:45 AM
RE: Question for theists: What would make you change your faith?
(23-01-2013 09:33 AM)cjs Wrote:  KC I have no problem with free speech as such. I do have an issue when I get called out for supposedly being disrespectful to theists or speaking my mind when others are allowed to be rude, vulgar, and coarse (I've seen some hairy threads with insults and the f bomb and harsh insults dropped and flung at others) with impunity.

If I'm I be called out every time I question something I believe to be worthy of a question, then suddenly I'm told that maybe this forum isn't the place for me, which is a diplomatic way to tell me to buzz off. This means that we have free speech for everyone here but that mine isn't quite as free as that of some others.

Y'all are the mods and can keep Egor here. Whatever. He's allowed to disrespect many people not just me. But let me question a theist, and it's Katy bar the door.

Free speech is kosher with me. But you calling me to the principal's office when I exercise mine, yeah that's when I start having a problem.
Not meaning to sound that way, and sorry if coming across that way.

We just had a HUGE blow up a little while ago. Actually, right before you joined. We're still pretty on-guard for anything like this to start over again.

Not telling you to buzz off. We want you to stay. The admins have always said that this place isn't for everyone because of the affinity towards free speech. We welcome everyone. We welcome all opinions; no matter how ludicrous.

Being a jerk isn't against the rules. We can't protect you from that; nor should we.

The admins don't "keep" Egor around. He sticks around. That's his freedom. It's also his freedom to act like a jackass to you if he wants; likewise, it's your freedom to act like a jackass back and/or disengage him and/or ignore him.

We're not "feelings police".

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23-01-2013, 09:45 AM
RE: Question for theists: What would make you change your faith?
When someone says "this might not be the place for you" I have to admit it sounds pretty much like "go somewhere else."

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23-01-2013, 09:48 AM
RE: Question for theists: What would make you change your faith?
I feel free to question, Chas, it just seems to me that some of my questions get reactions that I wouldn't think would bother folks as much as they apparently do. I'm surprised by the reactions my posts get especially given the nature of some of the very lively discussions here

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23-01-2013, 09:48 AM
RE: Question for theists: What would make you change your faith?
(23-01-2013 09:45 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  When someone says "this might not be the place for you" I have to admit it sounds pretty much like "go somewhere else."
It's just echoing Stark's/Erxy's/Scot's/Hughsie's MO.

I guess it does sound harsh, though. I'll reconsider the language in the future. Apologies.

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23-01-2013, 09:51 AM
RE: Question for theists: What would make you change your faith?
(23-01-2013 09:48 AM)cjs Wrote:  I feel free to question, Chas, it just seems to me that some of my questions get reactions that I wouldn't think would bother folks as much as they apparently do. I'm surprised by the reactions my posts get especially given the nature of some of the very lively discussions here
Like I said, it's probably a reaction to what happened last month.

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23-01-2013, 09:58 AM
RE: Question for theists: What would make you change your faith?
(23-01-2013 09:45 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(23-01-2013 09:33 AM)cjs Wrote:  KC I have no problem with free speech as such. I do have an issue when I get called out for supposedly being disrespectful to theists or speaking my mind when others are allowed to be rude, vulgar, and coarse (I've seen some hairy threads with insults and the f bomb and harsh insults dropped and flung at others) with impunity.

If I'm I be called out every time I question something I believe to be worthy of a question, then suddenly I'm told that maybe this forum isn't the place for me, which is a diplomatic way to tell me to buzz off. This means that we have free speech for everyone here but that mine isn't quite as free as that of some others.

Y'all are the mods and can keep Egor here. Whatever. He's allowed to disrespect many people not just me. But let me question a theist, and it's Katy bar the door.

Free speech is kosher with me. But you calling me to the principal's office when I exercise mine, yeah that's when I start having a problem.
Not meaning to sound that way, and sorry if coming across that way.

We just had a HUGE blow up a little while ago. Actually, right before you joined. We're still pretty on-guard for anything like this to start over again.

Not telling you to buzz off. We want you to stay. The admins have always said that this place isn't for everyone because of the affinity towards free speech. We welcome everyone. We welcome all opinions; no matter how ludicrous.

Being a jerk isn't against the rules. We can't protect you from that; nor should we.

The admins don't "keep" Egor around. He sticks around. That's his freedom. It's also his freedom to act like a jackass to you if he wants; likewise, it's your freedom to act like a jackass back and/or disengage him and/or ignore him.

We're not "feelings police".

I didn't say you should be the feelings police. I'm just not sure what I can say or not now. Y'all are mods and therefore have the power here. So I'm trying to figure out what is permissible and not since I seem to be running afoul of it while others do not.
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23-01-2013, 10:03 AM
RE: Question for theists: What would make you change your faith?
cjs, Egor is not worth the time of day and the others are even worse (nor do they stay). KC doesn't push religion on anyone, so you mostly forget he thinks he's better than us, 'cause he's been prechosen, preelected and presaved ( Laughat ) and try to enjoy the upside down doggies and the homosex. There's one more religious member (that I'm aware of) and he, too, seems like a nice person, and won't start shit and even when engaged in religious discussions is never (to the best of my knowledge, I admit I don't pay much attention) offensive.

Really, don't waste energy on stuff like this, forget about the jerks and try to enjoy your stay. This is a nice place (and there is also the ignore function. Works miracles. And I know whereof I speak). You can always try being as offensive as that Egor joke, but like I said - not worth the mental energy.

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23-01-2013, 10:07 AM
RE: Question for theists: What would make you change your faith?
(23-01-2013 09:58 AM)cjs Wrote:  
(23-01-2013 09:45 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  Not meaning to sound that way, and sorry if coming across that way.

We just had a HUGE blow up a little while ago. Actually, right before you joined. We're still pretty on-guard for anything like this to start over again.

Not telling you to buzz off. We want you to stay. The admins have always said that this place isn't for everyone because of the affinity towards free speech. We welcome everyone. We welcome all opinions; no matter how ludicrous.

Being a jerk isn't against the rules. We can't protect you from that; nor should we.

The admins don't "keep" Egor around. He sticks around. That's his freedom. It's also his freedom to act like a jackass to you if he wants; likewise, it's your freedom to act like a jackass back and/or disengage him and/or ignore him.

We're not "feelings police".

I didn't say you should be the feelings police. I'm just not sure what I can say or not now. Y'all are mods and therefore have the power here. So I'm trying to figure out what is permissible and not since I seem to be running afoul of it while others do not.


Say whatever you want except threats or porn or advertising. We even have a moderator (kingschosen) who's a fucking Calvinist.
If that's not free speech, I don't know what is. Consider

We have banned people for posting crap all over the forum in a disruptive manner - not for the content, but for the splatter of posts.

Feel free to speak your mind. I've been know to do so - right, KC? Dodgy

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23-01-2013, 10:07 AM
RE: Question for theists: What would make you change your faith?
(23-01-2013 09:51 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(23-01-2013 09:48 AM)cjs Wrote:  I feel free to question, Chas, it just seems to me that some of my questions get reactions that I wouldn't think would bother folks as much as they apparently do. I'm surprised by the reactions my posts get especially given the nature of some of the very lively discussions here
Like I said, it's probably a reaction to what happened last month.

You're a victim of circumstance.

Fair enough. Are we good here then?
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