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10-03-2014, 05:37 PM (This post was last modified: 10-03-2014 05:42 PM by shimmyjimmy.)
Questioning Christians about the purpose of the universe beyond Earth?
I haven't read a bible in awhile, but my understanding of judgement day is that it happens here on Earth, and this suggests (according to the bible) that this is where it will all end.

So, according to Christians, what was the purpose of the universe beyond Earth? Why did God 'create' it? Just to taunt us?

I can see Christians perhaps justifying the sun (for light - although God could have just magically shone light on Earth himself), but how the rest of the observable universe? What's the purpose of all those stars and planets if we'll never get to them or use them in anyway?

Is this an effective question in which to challenge Christians?
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10-03-2014, 05:39 PM (This post was last modified: 10-03-2014 09:19 PM by Raptor Jesus.)
RE: Questioning Christians about the purpose of the universe beyond Earth?
For a calendar.

The bible says the stars where placed in the heavens as a celestial calendar, so they could keep track of the seasons and when holidays are.

According to the bible, that is the sole reason for the whole of the cosmos...even the stuff we can't see. Just a giant, less that perfectly accurate, calendar.

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10-03-2014, 05:44 PM (This post was last modified: 10-03-2014 05:48 PM by Jeffasaurus.)
RE: Questioning Christians about the purpose of the universe beyond Earth?
According to the Bubble, there are no other planets. Stars are merely twinkly dots on a dome that keeps out the water above.

You could try to "challenge" them, but they're either making up their own bullshit answer, or repeating what their pastor/minister/priest/spiritual guide tells them to think.

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10-03-2014, 05:47 PM
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(10-03-2014 05:44 PM)Jeffasaurus Wrote:  According to the Bubble, there are no other planets. Stars are merely twinkly dots on a dome that keeps out the water above.

Oh, that's right. I forgot to mention that part. The stars are also the "holes in heaven". Literal holes in the firmament, the divide between the waters of the ocean, and the waters of the heavens. You know, because that's why the sky is blue...it's all water up there, sitting on top of a giant dome...according to the bible.

And the stars are the holes in the firmament, the "floodgates" through which "God" let the waters flood through, killing 99.999...% of all living things on the earth, because he loved us so much.

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10-03-2014, 05:50 PM
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(10-03-2014 05:47 PM)Raptor Jesus Wrote:  
(10-03-2014 05:44 PM)Jeffasaurus Wrote:  According to the Bubble, there are no other planets. Stars are merely twinkly dots on a dome that keeps out the water above.

Oh, that's right. I forgot to mention that part. The stars are also the "holes in heaven". Literal holes in the firmament, the divide between the waters of the ocean, and the waters of the heavens. You know, because that's why the sky is blue...it's all water up there, sitting on top of a giant dome...according to the bible.

And the stars are the holes in the firmament, the "floodgates" through which "God" let the waters flood through, killing 99.999...% of all living things on the earth, because he loved us so much.

Do you know what verse that is?
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10-03-2014, 05:54 PM
RE: Questioning Christians about the purpose of the universe beyond Earth?
(10-03-2014 05:50 PM)shimmyjimmy Wrote:  
(10-03-2014 05:47 PM)Raptor Jesus Wrote:  Oh, that's right. I forgot to mention that part. The stars are also the "holes in heaven". Literal holes in the firmament, the divide between the waters of the ocean, and the waters of the heavens. You know, because that's why the sky is blue...it's all water up there, sitting on top of a giant dome...according to the bible.

And the stars are the holes in the firmament, the "floodgates" through which "God" let the waters flood through, killing 99.999...% of all living things on the earth, because he loved us so much.

Do you know what verse that is?

Genesis 1:6 Then God said, "Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters." 7God made the expanse, and separated the waters which were below the expanse from the waters which were above the expanse; and it was so.…

http://biblehub.com/genesis/1-6.htm

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10-03-2014, 06:01 PM
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(10-03-2014 05:54 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(10-03-2014 05:50 PM)shimmyjimmy Wrote:  Do you know what verse that is?

Genesis 1:6 Then God said, "Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters." 7God made the expanse, and separated the waters which were below the expanse from the waters which were above the expanse; and it was so.…

http://biblehub.com/genesis/1-6.htm

Could that be referring to rain?

I don't think it means the sky (or universe) is water. Or am I wrong?
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10-03-2014, 06:03 PM
RE: Questioning Christians about the purpose of the universe beyond Earth?
(10-03-2014 05:50 PM)shimmyjimmy Wrote:  
(10-03-2014 05:47 PM)Raptor Jesus Wrote:  Oh, that's right. I forgot to mention that part. The stars are also the "holes in heaven". Literal holes in the firmament, the divide between the waters of the ocean, and the waters of the heavens. You know, because that's why the sky is blue...it's all water up there, sitting on top of a giant dome...according to the bible.

And the stars are the holes in the firmament, the "floodgates" through which "God" let the waters flood through, killing 99.999...% of all living things on the earth, because he loved us so much.

Do you know what verse that is?

Sure...

Genesis 7:11-12
New International Version (NIV)
11 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, on the seventeenth day of the second month—on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12 And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.


By the way...I want to also point out the following verses that came right before the verses above. Notice that they are kind of repetitive, as if someone took two different documents written by different people, and just mixed them together without editing out any of the redundancies.

Genesis 7:6-7, 7:10
New International Version (NIV)
6 Noah was six hundred years old when the floodwaters came on the earth. 7 And Noah and his sons and his wife and his sons’ wives entered the ark to escape the waters of the flood. ... 10 And after the seven days the floodwaters came on the earth.

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10-03-2014, 06:05 PM
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(10-03-2014 06:01 PM)shimmyjimmy Wrote:  
(10-03-2014 05:54 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  Genesis 1:6 Then God said, "Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters." 7God made the expanse, and separated the waters which were below the expanse from the waters which were above the expanse; and it was so.…

http://biblehub.com/genesis/1-6.htm

Could that be referring to rain?

I don't think it means the sky (or universe) is water. Or am I wrong?

No it was always referenced as the firmament until it was proven there was no such thing. There are several corresponding references listed on that page and beyond. This is not a controversial stance (that the bible promoted the view of a firmament) it is one of the hundreds of things it got wrong.

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10-03-2014, 06:05 PM
RE: Questioning Christians about the purpose of the universe beyond Earth?
The fact that we are such a tiny planet compared to the rest of the universe was certainly part of my deconversion.

If this universe was built for us, then it was a very inefficient creation... A vast amount of energy and space, when we only really need the output of one relatively small star. The scale of the universe becomes illogical when viewed from a theistic perspective. Which shows the lack of astronomical understanding the Bible's authors had.

Think of our star, the Sun... It puts out a huge amount of energy, all this planet could ever need and more. And then consider that the Milky Way galaxy contains 100,000,000,000 stars, some many times bigger, brighter and more powerful than our own. And then consider that there are 100,000,000,000 known galaxies, most of which contain as many stars again... That is a huge amount of energy being wasted there.

Its like having a mansion with 1 sextillion rooms, having all the lights on yet using just one room.

The universe is unfathomably huge, the idea that God created it all for us or the idea we matter at all becomes ludicrous. If the universe were a conscious being (call it "god" if you want), it could obliterate all life on this planet if it so desired and without consequence. Obi Wan Kenobi might shudder slightly on board the Millennium Falcon, but that's about it.

The point is, we don't matter in this universe, there is nothing out there that cares about us... The laws of physics can so easily cause a big asteroid to impact this planet, its happened before and it'll happen again. But there's no plan behind it, no malevolence. Shit happens...

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