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17-01-2017, 11:47 AM
RE: Questioning The Intangible Versus Questioning the Tangible
(17-01-2017 11:29 AM)Celestial_Wonder Wrote:  
(17-01-2017 11:10 AM)adey67 Wrote:  Err no, that's what the conspiracy theorists do.

Perhaps this is the simplest way I can explain your station.

If you once believed in a god, and yet you are now an atheist (I forget whether you do or not personally) but if you do stop believing in a god its not because someone told you that god didn't exist. Its because you went looking for answers and you probably went to the most trustworthy method of proving or disproving something.

Science.

In a likewise manner conspiracy theorists also went looking, it survives because it has substance. Just like atheism has substance otherwise if atheism did not it would have faded. In this case though it is conspiracy theorists who are the ones looking, and if you are not looking, then what are you doing? Looking away? Closing your eyes? Standing still?

Stagnating?

Like me, finding a conspiracy comes very easily to me these days. In order to prevent myself from stagnating. I'm looking for ways to convince others.

9/11 conspiracies have no substance that's my whole point, that's not to say all conspiracies are invalid some maybe true but 9/11 conspiracies have no substance and are an insult to the victims. A word to the wise, try couching your ideas in a different manner you may then attract less hostility and more of the dialogue you say you seek.
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17-01-2017, 12:07 PM
RE: Questioning The Intangible Versus Questioning the Tangible
(17-01-2017 11:32 AM)Celestial_Wonder Wrote:  
(17-01-2017 11:25 AM)Deesse23 Wrote:  Page 25 and everyone (or at least some) is still eager to actually get something presented.

This old "you" "no, YOU" "no, your MOTHER" is getting boring.

Well? What are you waiting for? The best adversary you can ever face is yourself.
Did you have another fortune coockie for lunch? I am not impressed and not surprised.

Are you going to present something soon, or do we have to wait another 25 pages for?:
Quote:I have all the evidence need to prove to someone of all I believe in the realm of conspiracy

However considering your confusion about what reality is and what your model of reality (theory) is, i am not expecting much.
Quote:What you might call a conspiracy theory I call a conspiracy because I am convinced that it is not just a theory any longer but having already physically transpired in reality itself. Therefore to me some are not theories at all but a fact. This you have to understand.
You know what other kind of people typically believe that just believing something strong enough will make it become reality?

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17-01-2017, 01:06 PM
RE: Questioning The Intangible Versus Questioning the Tangible
(17-01-2017 12:07 PM)Deesse23 Wrote:  
(17-01-2017 11:32 AM)Celestial_Wonder Wrote:  Well? What are you waiting for? The best adversary you can ever face is yourself.
Did you have another fortune coockie for lunch? I am not impressed and not surprised.

Are you going to present something soon, or do we have to wait another 25 pages for?:
Quote:I have all the evidence need to prove to someone of all I believe in the realm of conspiracy

However considering your confusion about what reality is and what your model of reality (theory) is, i am not expecting much.
Quote:What you might call a conspiracy theory I call a conspiracy because I am convinced that it is not just a theory any longer but having already physically transpired in reality itself. Therefore to me some are not theories at all but a fact. This you have to understand.
You know what other kind of people typically believe that just believing something strong enough will make it become reality?

I'm utterly flabbergasted to be honest Shocking
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17-01-2017, 02:47 PM
RE: Questioning The Intangible Versus Questioning the Tangible
Where's your evidence for your conspiracy CW? The evidence that is as strong as the evidence for evolution?

Fucken liar.

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17-01-2017, 03:40 PM (This post was last modified: 17-01-2017 03:44 PM by WhiskeyDebates.)
RE: Questioning The Intangible Versus Questioning the Tangible
(17-01-2017 02:05 AM)Celestial_Wonder Wrote:  Not the purpose of the thread.
No, this thread seems to exist to work as a receptacle for your cry baby tears, a soap box for your baseless unevidenced assertions, and unintentionally (though not unexpectedly) as a gallery for displaying your own ineptatude.

(16-01-2017 10:51 PM)Celestial_Wonder Wrote:  And based on previous attempts would be futile.
You have made ZERO attempts to offer supporting evidence for your claims at any point in time. There have been no "previous attempts".


(16-01-2017 10:51 PM)Celestial_Wonder Wrote:  I think instead of convincing the unconvinced my time would be better spent if I were to organize those already holding those beliefs.
So the only people you will share your "evidence" with are those that already believe it? Wow, how scientific. Only people that share your belief can know your ultra-secret proof for that belief. Sounds like your trying to start a cult to me.

Do you even know how peer-review works? It certainly doesn't involve only sharing your findings with people who already agree with your conclusion. And you have the temerity to say to us that WE are not men of science for demanding you share your evidence?


(16-01-2017 10:51 PM)Celestial_Wonder Wrote:  Start a little group if you will it would likely produce more worthwhile results at least.
You would feel right at home in a circle jerk where no one ever criticizes you or your views, some place far far away from the scientific method and honest discourse.

Whatever just be sure to serve Jonestown style drinks and you might actually accomplish something of worth.

(17-01-2017 02:05 AM)Celestial_Wonder Wrote:  You seem to have.
Oh wow, much witty. "I'm rubber and your glue!". Peopel keep telling me your just a stupid Highschool kid but I think that might be giving you much much too much credit.

(17-01-2017 10:06 AM)Celestial_Wonder Wrote:  Hm, all 9.11 conspiracies are an insult to someone's intelligence?
Asserting as true that which is not, which has been demonstrated by the best available evidence to not be true, and proceeding to give no evidence or even arguments in support of your position is an insult to intelligence yes.

(17-01-2017 10:06 AM)Celestial_Wonder Wrote:  Yeah people used to feel that way about niggers and jews as well. I mean black people.
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Ya, I can really see that desire to have a calm and respectful conversation shining through.

Also fuck you for trying to compare the fact people won't take your already disproven bullshit at face value to the tribulations and oppression suffered by minorities throughout history. Just...fuck you.


(17-01-2017 10:06 AM)Celestial_Wonder Wrote:  It is the most classical textbook of you're wrong because you're dumb because I said so.
No, it's wrong because the evidence clearly and overwhelmingly shows that it is wrong.

(17-01-2017 10:06 AM)Celestial_Wonder Wrote:  There is no defeating that logical fallacy as it is born from a form of ignorance and that ignorance is entirely willful ignorance.
Right, it's not like there haven't been multiple investigations, numerous peer-reviewed studies on the subject, or hundreds of relevant specialists demonstrating why your beliefs are wrong. Oh wait there are.

Your strawman needs to fuck off to the Emerald City and find his brain.

(17-01-2017 10:06 AM)Celestial_Wonder Wrote:  How do you answer them now?
O suppose I could tell the about the one guy that could have convinced us all with his, supposedly, amazing evidence that proves it as an inescapable fact ...but alas he was a stupid, petty, cunt and couldn't share that information because we failed to believe it before hand. Sorry guys I guess you will just have to be happy living in an age with the single highest standard of living the world has ever know.

(17-01-2017 10:06 AM)Celestial_Wonder Wrote:  The situation in the world at present, should tell you everything you need to know ...
Ya, it does. It really really does.

(17-01-2017 10:06 AM)Celestial_Wonder Wrote:  If the Holocaust can happen, and it shows the capability of a government commit such atrocities, if Stalin could do it, if Hitler could do it.
That a conspiracy can happen does not mean your conspiracy did happen or that your belief in it is rationally justified. That requires evidence, and you don't have an ounce of evidence.

(17-01-2017 10:06 AM)Celestial_Wonder Wrote:  So much of the world is Democratic, Mexico with its Drug Cartel, Brazil with its gangs that are armed with military grade weapons, the poor hell that is Africa, Southeast Asia and of course... the middle east, even some places in Europe.

So the ability for corruption is obviously there... and a countries GOP does not determine the amount of corruption. Yes... the United States and the UK are prosperous. And that prosperity comes from the blood of innocents, the profit made from suffering.
Not one inch of this rambeling mess justifies or validates your belief that 9/11 was an inside job. That requires evidence, of which you have none.

(17-01-2017 10:06 AM)Celestial_Wonder Wrote:  Because capitalism extols greed.
Please don't extend your ignorance out to economics as well, you have quite enough stupid on display without roping in new and exciting frontiers for you to look a fool in.

(17-01-2017 10:06 AM)Celestial_Wonder Wrote:  Hitler and Stalin did.
And that non-sequitur does not justify or validate your belief nor does it work as a substitute for the evidence you clearly don't have.





(17-01-2017 10:58 AM)Celestial_Wonder Wrote:  Or is it a deep seated psychological need to believe that it couldn't possibly happen in this day and age?
No, it's because the best available evidence proves you wrong.

(17-01-2017 11:08 AM)Celestial_Wonder Wrote:  And the people here call themselves men of science.

We do not accept your baseless baldfaced assertions as true, or even rational, in light of your complete and abject failure to provide so much as a single speck of evidence in support of those claims. Furthermore, your insistence to only share said evidence with those that already believe it's true is a mockery of the scientific method and the peer-review process.

We are, to a man, far more scientific than you and well and truly above your ability or standing to call out. You are anathema to science and it's methodology.

(17-01-2017 11:29 AM)Celestial_Wonder Wrote:  In a likewise manner conspiracy theorists also went looking....
They went looking for unrelated and disparate "facts" that they could weave into a narrative that fit a preconceived belief and nothing more.

You can't claim to be using science when your conclusion requires you to ignore the overwhelming consensus of experts in their field that you are factually wrong. Truther claims have been debunked for years, almost every one of them.

(17-01-2017 11:29 AM)Celestial_Wonder Wrote:  it survives because it has substance.
The arguments in favor of the necessity and virtue of slavery were around for thousands of years. The ability for a belief to survive says utterly nothing about how accurate that belief is.

(17-01-2017 11:29 AM)Celestial_Wonder Wrote:  Just like atheism has substance otherwise if atheism did not it would have faded.
Another false comparison, I was wondering when you would get around to this particular fallacy again.

(17-01-2017 11:29 AM)Celestial_Wonder Wrote:  Stagnating?
"If you don't agree with me you are not just wrong your responsible for the stagnation of society!" Rolleyes

(17-01-2017 11:29 AM)Celestial_Wonder Wrote:  Like me, finding a conspiracy comes very easily to me these days.
Wow shocking, you were able to find exactly what you were looking for. There is a name for that.

(17-01-2017 11:29 AM)Celestial_Wonder Wrote:  In order to prevent myself from stagnating. I'm looking for ways to convince others.

TRY EVIDENCE YOU STUPID CUNT!
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17-01-2017, 04:39 PM (This post was last modified: 17-01-2017 04:45 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Questioning The Intangible Versus Questioning the Tangible
(16-01-2017 12:28 AM)Celestial_Wonder Wrote:  A wise man doesn't need the use of swear words to show his disapproval of something or someone ... you lazy fuck.

That's actually clever.

#sigh
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17-01-2017, 05:06 PM
RE: Questioning The Intangible Versus Questioning the Tangible
(17-01-2017 03:40 PM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  
(17-01-2017 11:29 AM)Celestial_Wonder Wrote:  In order to prevent myself from stagnating. I'm looking for ways to convince others.

TRY EVIDENCE YOU STUPID CUNT!

@Celestial_Wonder: I haven't read through this thread all the way... cause stuff. But IIRC, you were asking something about whether theists are more susceptible to buying into conspiracy theories than atheists.

I'm a theist. Go ahead and sell me on your conspiracy theory. I'm listening (or reading. Whatever.)
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17-01-2017, 09:18 PM
RE: Questioning The Intangible Versus Questioning the Tangible
(17-01-2017 03:40 PM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  TRY EVIDENCE YOU STUPID CUNT!

Does evidence work against creationists?
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17-01-2017, 09:26 PM
RE: Questioning The Intangible Versus Questioning the Tangible
To compare conspiracy skeptics to creationists is disingenuous to say the least. Attempting to give 9/11 conspiracy theories legitimacy without evidence like this may be partiality why you attract such hostility.
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17-01-2017, 09:35 PM
RE: Questioning The Intangible Versus Questioning the Tangible
(17-01-2017 09:18 PM)Celestial_Wonder Wrote:  
(17-01-2017 03:40 PM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  TRY EVIDENCE YOU STUPID CUNT!

Does evidence work against creationists?

It doesn't stop people from presenting it. If all you ever did when criticising a creationist was say "I've got evidence to disprove you but you'll never believe it" why the FUCK would anyone listen to you?

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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