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18-01-2017, 06:39 AM
RE: Questioning The Intangible Versus Questioning the Tangible
Alright, so now that you've finally told us your gem of wisdom, this is the point where you get to say *why* you believe this to be true. Remember you said the evidence was as strong as that for evolution, so I am expecting stuff that is not just your opinion.

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18-01-2017, 06:54 AM
RE: Questioning The Intangible Versus Questioning the Tangible
(18-01-2017 06:39 AM)morondog Wrote:  Alright, so now that you've finally told us your gem of wisdom, this is the point where you get to say *why* you believe this to be true. Remember you said the evidence was as strong as that for evolution, so I am expecting stuff that is not just your opinion.

(17-01-2017 11:58 PM)morondog Wrote:  I don't even ask you for evidence anymore.

Contradiction.

Also hardly a gem of wisdom, all it really is is a slight alteration of events to conclude a more probable cause for the outcome. Instead of a couple dozen loosely organized individuals going through the process of learning how to fly (and at that something they did not even express great interest in from reports) to the might and resources available to an organization like the CIA, Mossad, Mi6, KGB who already have a record of clandestine operations. It is then far more probable that one of these institutions were behind the attacks. It would not benefit the Russians at all so we can count them out.

With the individual theory that this was actually orchestrated by terrorists all they had to look forward to was their death which makes it even more unlikely that they'd be candidates given the innate instinct in everyone to survive and pass down their genes.

However with the prospect of gaining more political control, especially over a country like Iran which the Western governments must see as some loose cannon. Or the area of the Middle East in general which has always been hostile to foreign intervention. It would then make a lot more sense if one of the world superpowers invented a reason to invade and dominate these smaller and weaker countries.

In cases like Syria where they were unable to exert their control over they chose the position of severely weakening Assad's position who is only held up by the joint Russian and Iranian forces.

If a child goes missing in a neighborhood where a known sex offender is living, who do the police question first? The History of the CIA and the KGB work against them in the same manner.
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18-01-2017, 06:55 AM
RE: Questioning The Intangible Versus Questioning the Tangible
Hello again Celestial_Wonder; :thumbbup:

(18-01-2017 06:31 AM)Celestial_Wonder Wrote:  If you want the theory its the theory that 9.11 was orchestrated by the CIA in collaboration with Mossad to frame Al Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden and give the United States government a reason and outstanding public support not only to invade Afghanistan but also more importantly Iraq. Two countries with rich resources and strategically located on either side of Iran. These were the short term goals, the long term goals were having a new reason to invade dozens of countries of their choosing, the limitation of which they only need a sizable muslim population.

We see Western interference already in Libya, and Syria backing the civil wars/revolutions that the Western governments started. It mirrors the Cold War to the letter as they are textbook techniques from an era long ago.

So... wouldn't this be an 'Hypothesis' then?

You've got the idea now all you do is present the information/evidence/etc and if it all fits then you've got a theory, no?

Consider

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18-01-2017, 07:00 AM
RE: Questioning The Intangible Versus Questioning the Tangible
(18-01-2017 06:55 AM)Peebothuhul Wrote:  Hello again Celestial_Wonder; :thumbbup:

(18-01-2017 06:31 AM)Celestial_Wonder Wrote:  If you want the theory its the theory that 9.11 was orchestrated by the CIA in collaboration with Mossad to frame Al Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden and give the United States government a reason and outstanding public support not only to invade Afghanistan but also more importantly Iraq. Two countries with rich resources and strategically located on either side of Iran. These were the short term goals, the long term goals were having a new reason to invade dozens of countries of their choosing, the limitation of which they only need a sizable muslim population.

We see Western interference already in Libya, and Syria backing the civil wars/revolutions that the Western governments started. It mirrors the Cold War to the letter as they are textbook techniques from an era long ago.

So... wouldn't this be an 'Hypothesis' then?

You've got the idea now all you do is present the information/evidence/etc and if it all fits then you've got a theory, no?

Consider

Much cheers to all.

At this point all I would need to do is present the evidence that it would be either possible that the government could silently demolish the world trade centers, or that it was not possible for the planes that hit the world trade centers to bring them down. Or the office fires could not possibly have been the cause to bring down the entirety of WTC 7 as though it were a controlled demolition.

Honestly in all of this WTC 7 is the greatest asset to support a conspiracy happened on 9.11.
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18-01-2017, 07:23 AM
RE: Questioning The Intangible Versus Questioning the Tangible
(18-01-2017 06:54 AM)Celestial_Wonder Wrote:  
(18-01-2017 06:39 AM)morondog Wrote:  Alright, so now that you've finally told us your gem of wisdom, this is the point where you get to say *why* you believe this to be true. Remember you said the evidence was as strong as that for evolution, so I am expecting stuff that is not just your opinion.

(17-01-2017 11:58 PM)morondog Wrote:  I don't even ask you for evidence anymore.

Contradiction.

Also hardly a gem of wisdom, all it really is is a slight alteration of events to conclude a more probable cause for the outcome. Instead of a couple dozen loosely organized individuals going through the process of learning how to fly (and at that something they did not even express great interest in from reports) to the might and resources available to an organization like the CIA, Mossad, Mi6, KGB who already have a record of clandestine operations. It is then far more probable that one of these institutions were behind the attacks. It would not benefit the Russians at all so we can count them out.

With the individual theory that this was actually orchestrated by terrorists all they had to look forward to was their death which makes it even more unlikely that they'd be candidates given the innate instinct in everyone to survive and pass down their genes.

However with the prospect of gaining more political control, especially over a country like Iran which the Western governments must see as some loose cannon. Or the area of the Middle East in general which has always been hostile to foreign intervention. It would then make a lot more sense if one of the world superpowers invented a reason to invade and dominate these smaller and weaker countries.

In cases like Syria where they were unable to exert their control over they chose the position of severely weakening Assad's position who is only held up by the joint Russian and Iranian forces.

If a child goes missing in a neighborhood where a known sex offender is living, who do the police question first? The History of the CIA and the KGB work against them in the same manner.

So, just your opinion then.

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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18-01-2017, 07:34 AM
RE: Questioning The Intangible Versus Questioning the Tangible
Hello! Big Grin

(18-01-2017 07:00 AM)Celestial_Wonder Wrote:  At this point all I would need to do is present the evidence that it would be either possible that the government could silently demolish the world trade centers, or that it was not possible for the planes that hit the world trade centers to bring them down. Or the office fires could not possibly have been the cause to bring down the entirety of WTC 7 as though it were a controlled demolition.

Consider

Well.. not quite.

There's other things such as

"Who was piloting the planes which impacted the towers, the Pentagon and the corn field?" etc along with a host of other questions such as;

That the passenger lists of all aircraft were/are well known.Not a secret.

Back ground checks show the details of the perpetrators.

The other thing is that neither tower were 'silently' demolished. The evidence shown on the day where it was close enough had sound of the planes etc. The images were obvious etc.

Consider

" Or that it was not possible for the planes that hit the world trade centers."

How do you prove a negative?

The evidence for air craft hitting things in the past is rather... well.. over whelming.

(18-01-2017 07:00 AM)Celestial_Wonder Wrote:  Honestly in all of this WTC 7 is the greatest asset to support a conspiracy happened on 9.11.

Um, why? It's one of many buildings in the shadow of the towers. It suffered damage along with many other buildings adjacent to the towers.

Consider

So, we're still at 'Hypothesis' stage, then?
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18-01-2017, 07:54 AM
RE: Questioning The Intangible Versus Questioning the Tangible
How many people do you think were necessary to participate in this conspiracy?
Give me just an order of magnitude.
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18-01-2017, 08:06 AM
RE: Questioning The Intangible Versus Questioning the Tangible
(18-01-2017 07:34 AM)Peebothuhul Wrote:  Consider

Well.. not quite.

There's other things such as

"Who was piloting the planes which impacted the towers, the Pentagon and the corn field?" etc along with a host of other questions such as;

A fault that fails to take into consideration that there may not have been anyone even on board those planes.

Quote:That the passenger lists of all aircraft were/are well known.Not a secret.

Back ground checks show the details of the perpetrators.

People create fake identities all the time, it would not be hard at all to do with the vast resources of the government. Criminals do it quite often as well, and the CIA and other agencies also do it particularly when they are covering the identity of their spies. The Witness Protection program also does it.

Quote:The other thing is that neither tower were 'silently' demolished. The evidence shown on the day where it was close enough had sound of the planes etc. The images were obvious etc.

Consider

Silently as compared to a loud controlled demolition.

Quote:" Or that it was not possible for the planes that hit the world trade centers."

How do you prove a negative?

The evidence for air craft hitting things in the past is rather... well.. over whelming.

Yes, and so we must assume that a plane did indeed hit the World Trade Centers (with the exception of WTC 7) which I believe is where the confusion happens. When people were talking about WTC 7 in the early days of the conspiracy people probably got it confused and thought they were talking about the twin towers.


Quote:Um, why? It's one of many buildings in the shadow of the towers. It suffered damage along with many other buildings adjacent to the towers.

Consider

So, we're still at 'Hypothesis' stage, then?

The manner in which WTC 7 fell is identical to a controlled demolition. Its descent is caused by structural damage sustained at its base, which any damage which might have caused a collapse would have been showered on it from above. It is therefore highly unlikely that any damage would have been sustained at the bottom of WTC 7 except perhaps some damage from when the Twin Towers collapsed in which if there was enough damage from that it would have collapsed with the Twin Towers and not afterwards.

It is also very peculiar that all three buildings suffered total destruction instead of a partial collapse. A feet even controlled demolitions sometimes have trouble with.

In order for everything to happen as they did regarding the collapses of the three buildings, to happen on a natural occurrence with just the planes would be highly improbable. Especially as the Twin Towers were built with such an event taken into consideration.

Therefore it is far more likely that intent was involved. And this isn't getting into the finer details.
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18-01-2017, 08:10 AM
RE: Questioning The Intangible Versus Questioning the Tangible
Your hypothesis regarding the terrorists being unlikely to want to kill themselves, seems to me to be horribly flawed for two reasons firstly the huge numbers of suicide bombings carried out by Islamists shows conclusively they are more than willing to self terminate themselves for their ideology and 72 virgins in paradise and secondly we all saw the planes hit,these guys could not possibly have done such a thing and expected to live. The entirety of this part of your comment makes no sense and is utterly disproven by virtue of the fact someone had to have flown the planes into the buildings plus we all saw it happen.
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18-01-2017, 08:11 AM
RE: Questioning The Intangible Versus Questioning the Tangible
Mods can I request that you check if there's an IP match between psikeyhacker and Celestial Wonder? Just a hunch.

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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