Questioning The Intangible Versus Questioning the Tangible
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27-01-2017, 12:01 PM
RE: Questioning The Intangible Versus Questioning the Tangible
Its amusing watching you jump through hoops to spread and justify your conspiratorial bullshit.
You have nothing except 100% speculation and as for youtube its where honest discourse goes to die. Yes
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27-01-2017, 12:37 PM
RE: Questioning The Intangible Versus Questioning the Tangible
(27-01-2017 11:59 AM)Peebothuhul Wrote:  At work.

No

My industry is well versed in 'Relyability' of eyewitnesses.

Documentation of evidence at the scene? Yes.

A written testimony as verifyably written as soon as is possible after the events? Quite possibly.

The problem is that the human eliment is sadly unrelyable under stress. Hence wrote, reaction training for professional personnel.

I do not belittle the traumatised victims. I simply point out the problems inherant and caused by such trauma.

Please C_W, address simple questions in regards to your hypothesis.

Oh so now they're traumatized and they don't know what they're talking about? Won't even consider that a multitude of people who all report hearing various big explosions, just deluded themselves to think that it happened?
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27-01-2017, 12:56 PM
RE: Questioning The Intangible Versus Questioning the Tangible
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(27-01-2017 12:37 PM)Celestial_Wonder Wrote:  
(27-01-2017 11:59 AM)Peebothuhul Wrote:  At work.

No

My industry is well versed in 'Relyability' of eyewitnesses.

Documentation of evidence at the scene? Yes.

A written testimony as verifyably written as soon as is possible after the events? Quite possibly.

The problem is that the human eliment is sadly unrelyable under stress. Hence wrote, reaction training for professional personnel.

I do not belittle the traumatised victims. I simply point out the problems inherant and caused by such trauma.

Please C_W, address simple questions in regards to your hypothesis.

Oh so now they're traumatized and they don't know what they're talking about? Won't even consider that a multitude of people who all report hearing various big explosions, just deluded themselves to think that it happened?

You tube where honest discourse goes to die.
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27-01-2017, 03:16 PM (This post was last modified: 27-01-2017 03:20 PM by RocketSurgeon76.)
RE: Questioning The Intangible Versus Questioning the Tangible
Come on, dude, think.

You don't realize that the sudden collapse of support structures, resulting in the shattering of an entire stone/glass facade, sounds like an explosion? That to people who are terrified and distracted (working to rescue people, or simply fleeing), a sudden "boom" of sound could be confused for an "explosion"?

I've seen the videos of 7WTC coming down, which highlight the two vertical stress lines that suddenly appear, alleging that it's evidence of a blast point. No, it's not. It's the point where the building facade "broke", as the central parts (bereft of support) began to fall faster than the edges that still had support, for just a moment.

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If you've ever seen how a ship's "back" breaks when a torpedo explodes underneath it (more effective than hitting the ship with the torpedo directly), you'll see the same sort of stress line run vertically as the ship breaks its internal supports horizontally. [It's in reverse from the building, because it's pushed up by an explosion rather than pulled down by gravity, but the shearing principle works the same way.]

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You still have not presented one single piece of evidence that is not better explained by the sudden "gave-way" failure of support joists, causing the rapid cascade-collapse of the internal support lattice. None of that eyewitness testimony shows anything that supports your case, and only wishful thinking on your part makes it so.

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27-01-2017, 03:57 PM
RE: Questioning The Intangible Versus Questioning the Tangible
(27-01-2017 03:35 AM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  
(27-01-2017 03:20 AM)Celestial_Wonder Wrote:  Do you think its even remotely possible that this actually all could have been a carefully planned and executed conspiracy committed by the CIA?

Of course it's possible. The CIA pulls bullshit (usually not on that kind of scale) all the time. But the evidence is much more simply explained, and without the need for all these extraneous factors that call for some really wild explanations and universal coverups-- as WD tried to explain to you-- and without anyone blowing it wide open in a fit of conscience (a la Chelsea Manning).

It's too risky for the CIA... they'd be shut down immediately and permanently, if such a thing was ever discovered.

Killing people overseas to support US interests is something most Americans will look the other way for... but if it was ever discovered that the CIA deliberately killed Americans (including hundreds of police and firefighters trying to save others) for political purposes, they'd be lynched. Literally, everyone involved would be sent to prison for the rest of their lives, if they were lucky. There is absolutely nothing to be gained for the CIA by risking such an operation. No benefit to the USA outweighs the damage that would be done if discovered, as so many of their overseas operations have been in the past.

The simple explanation fits much better: terrorists with nothing to lose attacked (successfully, this time) the predominant symbol of US global capitalism, for which they blame (and arguably, rightly so) the troubles facing them in their little corner of the world. Our inept government bungled the information that warned of the attack because agencies at the time did a poor job of passing information to the other agencies, and the attacks were of a type that exploited a weakness no one had really considered before-- the combination of the impact, fuel fire, and wind-blown structure fire on a building held up by 50-year-old metal beams. The internal joists and cross-beams failed, pulling sideways on the vertical columns to trigger their simultaneous failure, and the buildings collapsed inward/downward in the same way (and for the same physical reason) as a controlled detonation, which targets the same type of support joists.

And, just as those religious crazies wanted, the US went batshit insane and started a war that pretty much guaranteed another couple of generations of radicalized young recruits for them to harvest into their violent and backward version of Islam.

The justification for the conspiracy theory is to provide a reason for war.

Seriously? Facepalm

The U.S. has invaded countries, toppled governments, run clandestine operations for decades without ever needing anything more than a transparently flimsy excuse.

The inside job conspiracy is simply laughable.

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24-02-2017, 07:30 AM
RE: Questioning The Intangible Versus Questioning the Tangible
(11-01-2017 03:54 AM)Celestial_Wonder Wrote:  While this could be due to the fact that atheists might be more skeptical, it raises concerns of why they aren't more skeptical of the government but rather are more skeptical of their fellow man, when in reality they should hold them both with equal skepticism.

One should be more skeptical of government, because of the incentives to spend other people's money (on just about anything). I mean, people are people, and people are in both the private and public sector. But in the private sector if you don't please your customer, you will go out of business. The environment of the public sector is what brings out the worst in people.
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