Questions for Theists: God and Time
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03-07-2013, 01:13 PM
RE: Questions for Theists: God and Time
The Catholic teaching is that God is Totum Simul or he exists in all time simultaneously.
So he doesn't see the future or the past individually but everything at once. He does not experience a succession of events.

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03-07-2013, 02:02 PM
RE: Questions for Theists: God and Time
(03-07-2013 01:13 PM)TarzanSmith Wrote:  The Catholic teaching is that God is Totum Simul or he exists in all time simultaneously.
So he doesn't see the future or the past individually but everything at once. He does not experience a succession of events.

Which then puts the lie to "salvation", if man is saved AFTER the salvific act, and all the arguing by all the Catholic theologians about what happened to souls before Jebus died was all for naught. They can cook up anything they need to to make it appear to make sense. There is nothing anywhere in their "scripture" that says anything like that, nor did Aquinas ever say anything about it until they realized space-time was a huge problem .

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03-07-2013, 02:38 PM
RE: Questions for Theists: God and Time
(03-07-2013 09:06 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  Yes.

God can see all, even the things that are in non-existence.

ie:
alternate paths that could have been taken in history and their congruent past, present, and future

I suppose an infinite being has infinite storage space for infinite knowledge, but there's something preposterous about this explanation from a practical standpoint. I make hundreds of choices a day, many consciously, many subconsciously. Am I to believe that God knows what would happen if I were to choose differently in each of these choices? That is, he knows exactly how different things would be if I decided to hit the snooze button instead of waking up? He knows how different things would be if I chose to go to the bathroom before ironing my clothes instead of after? He knows how different the world would be if I decided to skip my coffee this morning? I mean HUNDREDS of choices a day. And each of those choices sparks an alternate path that God keeps track of?

And, at the same time, the hundreds of choices made by my wife... If I make 100 choices a day, and she makes 100 choices a day, God knows... KNOWS??? what would happen with every possible permutation of our 100 choices (which would be, what, 100 ^ 100? And that's just the contingencies opened by the actions of two people!

And he knows every possible alternative path of different choices made by everyone from the dawn of man? Which, needless to say, is like, INFINITE?

He is able to keep track of all these different contingencies...

And he still cares if I masturbate to Lisa Ann on pornhub?
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03-07-2013, 07:48 PM
RE: Questions for Theists: God and Time
(03-07-2013 02:38 PM)TwoCultSurvivor Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 09:06 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  Yes.

God can see all, even the things that are in non-existence.

ie:
alternate paths that could have been taken in history and their congruent past, present, and future

I suppose an infinite being has infinite storage space for infinite knowledge, but there's something preposterous about this explanation from a practical standpoint. I make hundreds of choices a day, many consciously, many subconsciously. Am I to believe that God knows what would happen if I were to choose differently in each of these choices? That is, he knows exactly how different things would be if I decided to hit the snooze button instead of waking up? He knows how different things would be if I chose to go to the bathroom before ironing my clothes instead of after? He knows how different the world would be if I decided to skip my coffee this morning? I mean HUNDREDS of choices a day. And each of those choices sparks an alternate path that God keeps track of?

And, at the same time, the hundreds of choices made by my wife... If I make 100 choices a day, and she makes 100 choices a day, God knows... KNOWS??? what would happen with every possible permutation of our 100 choices (which would be, what, 100 ^ 100? And that's just the contingencies opened by the actions of two people!

And he knows every possible alternative path of different choices made by everyone from the dawn of man? Which, needless to say, is like, INFINITE?

He is able to keep track of all these different contingencies...

And he still cares if I masturbate to Lisa Ann on pornhub?

And the only way that god can KNOW all of these things and possible gazillion upon gazillion things is if we ASSERT that he can.
That's the only way.

I have the ability to jump 2 miles straight up into the air
God knows every detail that ever was or could be.
Both are assertions

Through assertions, you can create anything you want.
It's all just mental masturbation at this point.

My god is so powerful and all knowing. He knows stuff that I didn't think was possible until I thought about it. He knows stuff that's way over my head. He could beat up your dad if he wanted. So don't mess with me cause god knows when you're planning on messing with me, so don't, cause if you do you'll go to hell.

So ya, human imagination is a thing.

We can create all kinds of crap in our heads.

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