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10-09-2012, 09:31 AM
RE: Racism on this forum
(10-09-2012 09:29 AM)bemore Wrote:  
(10-09-2012 09:25 AM)Logica Humano Wrote:  You may answer any which way you want. Just don't make it a wall of text, I don't have much time left till I got to get back to work.

Id say democracy suits the larger majority.

So would you say the larger majority supports free speech or racism?
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10-09-2012, 09:40 AM
RE: Racism on this forum
(10-09-2012 09:23 AM)Logica Humano Wrote:  It is common knowledge that those words' meanings possess racist connotations. There is no other reason to use that selection of words to express yourself than to be offensive or racist.

Why do they possess racist connotations? Originally most words we consider racist were simply general terms for specific ethnic groups. They just got misused by a minority of assholes and now for some reason they are tainted for everyone. There have been plenty of Englishmen who've used derogatory terms for Americans because they have serious prejudices against anyone who is American. Yet when I call Erxomai a yank no-one bats an eyelid. Why? Because people know that the context I'm using those words in is not one of prejudice. Why would any other words be different?

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10-09-2012, 09:42 AM
RE: Racism on this forum
(10-09-2012 08:58 AM)Logica Humano Wrote:  It's interesting to see that three members have left due to the lack of moderation towards offensive posts. Either people are too sensitive, or we are too anarchistic.

Well, I've never been on a forum where people don't leave because they are upset over one thing or another with moderation, however it is done.
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10-09-2012, 09:44 AM
RE: Racism on this forum
(10-09-2012 09:31 AM)Logica Humano Wrote:  
(10-09-2012 09:29 AM)bemore Wrote:  Id say democracy suits the larger majority.

So would you say the larger majority supports free speech or racism?
-I'll get back to this in a bit, I got to back to work.

I cant answer that I can only speak for myself...... I support free speech...... banning racist words to me is like putting your fingers in your ears and going "la la la la la la" it wont stop it from happening in the outside world.

If your interested in what the majority think bro then maybe you should create a poll Consider

Be interesting to see the results.

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10-09-2012, 09:47 AM
RE: Racism on this forum
The thing is, something will always come through these forum doors that I don't like or agree with, or feel offended by. It has happened many times. I could leave, or I could just ignore that shit and focus on the things I do like or do want to give merit to. Leaving and ignoring are the same things, only if I leave I don't benefit.

I am not happy about people leaving, but that's out of my control. And to be honest, I've found this conversation very interesting and though provoking. I actually love that.
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10-09-2012, 09:49 AM
RE: Racism on this forum
(10-09-2012 09:28 AM)Dom Wrote:  This forum is pretty much anarchy due to Seth's directives.

I like anarchy as a theory, but it does not take into account that people are not perfect and hence you can't have the perfect system, which anarchy would be in my mind.

Without rules people get hurt because some people thrive on hurting others.

The rest just looks away or is incapable to empathize with things they have not experienced themselves.

I am not happy about the anarchy here and have said so before.

The message board has a feature that allows us to scramble words that are hurtful to some.

But this will not be done, and good people will keep getting hurt here and leaving.

And Seth himself has no idea how things work because he never takes part. He probably gets periodic reports - second hand and seen through the eyes of whoever reports.

I have been on the edge of leaving twice. There is a lot of value here, and also a lot of fun. But I have a hard time putting up with some of the crap - I don't like a lot of drama in my life, I like to enjoy every day.

For now I am hanging around, but don't be surprised if something turns out to be the straw that broke the camel's back some day.

Actually, it's not anarchy. That would mean there is no system of rule.
Seth gave the forum government to Stark Raving and Stark did a marvelous job of clearing out the bots that made this a useless forum and then worked to gather around Mods and Vets to give counsel and help mold this place into the strong community it is today.

This place reflects the world. There are people who love each other and enjoy each other's humor and insights. There are people who are just here for particular reasons like debating science or philosophy. And there are people who are on the fringe of society flinging poo and pissing off as many people as they can find to take offense at them. We all have the same options here that we have in the world. We can ignore the people we don't like (either with a button or with our resolve not to read). We can chastise those who we think are idiots. We can challenge those we find bringing foolish arguments. We can mock silly Christians and we can comfort those who have been abused by religion. And for those who don't want to do any of the above, they find a community elsewhere, or they take breaks so they're not so personally and emotionally involved in the things that trigger reactions. None of the above is deserving of being called anarchy. All of the above requires treating others with as much respect as we can muster and think others deserve. No one has paid to be here or made commitments to a code of conduct to belong. Issues can be raised, as they have been in this thread and in PMs to Stark or the Mods. And they do get addressed.

If Stark was an absolute dictator, there wouldn't even be the 3 rules that we do have. It would be a place of complete free speech. But the original spambots made this forum useless so spam was banned. Then the issue came up that this is not an adult only forum. So porn/nudity was banned. More recently, and due to other legal issues in the world, physical threats became banned as well. Something that would not have happened if this place were ruled by anarchy and something that would not have happened if Stark went by his personal feelings, because it was not a rule he desired.

Hate speech is not illegal in the United States. That doesn't mean individuals have to put up with it. All of us are free to respond as we feel appropriate. My belief is the community takes care of it's own and I see this worked out daily. It makes me glad to be a part of this great community.

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10-09-2012, 09:49 AM
RE: Racism on this forum
(10-09-2012 09:07 AM)Logica Humano Wrote:  
(10-09-2012 09:06 AM)Red Tornado Wrote:  Ohhhh. I see. Well, I'd rather be called a nazi then be censored really.

I don't even know why it is an issue. Being labeled a nazi isn't racism. You can't be racist towards white people. Drinking Beverage

Sure, you also can't be racist to Jewish people, black people, Hispanic people, and so on. Cool

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10-09-2012, 09:51 AM
RE: Racism on this forum
(10-09-2012 09:40 AM)Hughsie Wrote:  Why do they possess racist connotations? Originally most words we consider racist were simply general terms for specific ethnic groups. They just got misused by a minority of assholes and now for some reason they are tainted for everyone. There have been plenty of Englishmen who've used derogatory terms for Americans because they have serious prejudices against anyone who is American. Yet when I call Erxomai a yank no-one bats an eyelid. Why? Because people know that the context I'm using those words in is not one of prejudice. Why would any other words be different?

Agreed.

Some people can't see the difference between genuine racism and ethnic banter. Tongue

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10-09-2012, 10:01 AM (This post was last modified: 10-09-2012 10:05 AM by Dom.)
RE: Racism on this forum
(10-09-2012 09:51 AM)frankiej Wrote:  
(10-09-2012 09:40 AM)Hughsie Wrote:  Why do they possess racist connotations? Originally most words we consider racist were simply general terms for specific ethnic groups. They just got misused by a minority of assholes and now for some reason they are tainted for everyone. There have been plenty of Englishmen who've used derogatory terms for Americans because they have serious prejudices against anyone who is American. Yet when I call Erxomai a yank no-one bats an eyelid. Why? Because people know that the context I'm using those words in is not one of prejudice. Why would any other words be different?

Agreed.

Some people can't see the difference between genuine racism and ethnic banter. Tongue

Words have different connotations to different people. Everyone has a sore spot. Going around and purposefully poking people in what you know to be their sore spot is not going to contribute to having a diverse and interesting community.

I poked Muffs in his sore spot and now he is gone. Anyone can do this to anyone if they so choose.

Some words are a sore spot for thousands and millions of people. Some are personal scars. They all spell hurt.

I don't see how poking people in their sore spots helps atheism or anything else in this world.

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10-09-2012, 10:05 AM
RE: Racism on this forum
Why is this an issue? Does not every one know the golden rule?

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Seriously - I don't care for racist assholes. If someone wishes to behave in a racist asshole kinda way, I can hit ignore. I don't need thought police cleaning up or saving me from offensive BS - I've discovered the ignore feature! Thumbsup

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