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08-09-2012, 02:20 PM
RE: Racism on this forum
(08-09-2012 02:12 PM)Vosur Wrote:  I'd agree with the moderators, free speech is a valuable gift. Of course, freedom of speech always has some kind of limitation, but as long as the 'price' is merely a restriction to spamming, which is usually just copying and pasting random stuff anyway, and sending violence/death threats, I'm fine with it.

I'm a hundred percent against censoring controversial/offensive posts. If you don't like to see them, you can use the ignore button or just learn to ignore them on your own.
But this forum is not a free for all. I disagree. You cant have one way and not the other.
Either open this up all the way and make this SPAMMERS WELCOME! and Threats OK. or have the rules that most of society lives by. Only a moron or ignorant ass would be for racism.

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08-09-2012, 02:25 PM
RE: Racism on this forum
1. I have not noticed any racism here, yet. (which means nothing because I am by far not reading everything)
2. Racism and hate speech can be seen as violence, therefore in really aggressive cases there should be a way to ban such people. Hate speech should never be tolerated for too long. But that is my two cents, noone cares about it anyway.
3. That being said, words are only as strong as you make them. I grew up in Germany and that is where I encountered so much racism while being German. Like in my "own" country I was called names by imigrants while in Ireland and Romania noone has ever shown negative racism towards me. And even if, I would simply ignore that behaviour because it means the person is uninformed and probably very biased. Now guess what, I say the bad words, too, and I am not a racist at all. Somewhere in this forum (can't remember where) I mentioned that in my opinion there are not foreigners but we all just were born in different places. Which includes that I do not react to one's skin color or the country they were born in. I react to the person, if the person is from Mexico and an asshole I will call him an asshole just like I would do if this person were chinese, turkish, or english. But that's just me.

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08-09-2012, 02:26 PM
RE: Racism on this forum
Well I can see what way this is going. It's been a good run.

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08-09-2012, 02:29 PM
RE: Racism on this forum
Spam is not speech, it's commerce. Advertisers are welcome to pay to advertise their products but they are not allowed to post for free. It's also a matter of forum resources. The server space is not unlimited.

Porn/nudity is a legal issue in a site with access for minors.

Threats are also a legal issue. Look at the greatest theist troll of all time, David Mabus. Is he still in a Canadian jail?

I find it ironic that the forum administration is being accused of cowardice for not banning. Who do you think we are afraid of? Personally, there is a whole list of people that I'd happily and fearlessly ban and good riddance to them. But that is not the kind of place Seth started, and it's been his directive to Stark since the beginning to make this a place where anything can be said. That is not going to change as long as Seth keeps this site open.

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08-09-2012, 02:29 PM
RE: Racism on this forum
Where are these racist posts exactly? :/

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08-09-2012, 02:32 PM
RE: Racism on this forum
(08-09-2012 02:26 PM)N.E.OhioAtheist Wrote:  Well I can see what way this is going. It's been a good run.

Shame if you have to go because of a few words on a screen.

So is it diplomacy your after...... or is your your way or the highway????

Realise how hippocritical that sounds in light of convos we have had in the conspiracy section talking about having freedoms removed???

At least let the mods, Stark and Erx have a say in this before you chip.

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08-09-2012, 02:33 PM
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Hmm, no offense, but I think you've got blinders on if you think there's no racism on this forum. My response is to close the page, wander off, and come back after a day or two once and ignore the thread from there on.

I'm not saying we should censor anything, or shut anyone up. Unfortunately, I don't have the right not to be offended, and neither does anyone else. This forum has always been open to everyone, even bigots. We all have something to offer.
But let's not kid ourselves and say it's not there, ok?

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08-09-2012, 02:41 PM
RE: Racism on this forum
Didn't say it's not there. Only said, I haven't noticed it.

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08-09-2012, 02:42 PM
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There is a difference between racism, and joking. Sometimes I make jokes that MAY seem outwardly racist, but if you read in context of who I was replying to, it can be seen as a Joke.

Before playing the racism card, you should at least try to make sure it is indeed racism, and not a joke.

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08-09-2012, 02:44 PM
RE: Racism on this forum
I've noticed it from time to time. Not just the recent clear mention.. but it's usually been people who were trolls or not frequent posters. I think all of it I've noticed has been just in the politics or conspiracy forums.

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