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25-10-2012, 01:04 PM
Rambling about Nationalities and Racism

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25-10-2012, 01:28 PM (This post was last modified: 25-10-2012 01:40 PM by Vera.)
RE: Rambling about Nationalities and Racism
Hiya neighbour! (hehe, this was to annoy you a bitWink)

I couldn't agree more... I always, always say that what defines me as a person is not my race, my gender, my nationality, my sexual orientation, what have you. I (and everybody else) is first and foremost a human being, everything else is secondary at best (not even important - at worst). Sure, where I was born, my gender, etc. have influenced who I am, but this hasn't formed who I am. If stripped of all those things, I would still be me.

I've lived in other countries, as well, and thanks to the fact that I wasn't working there and that by my looks I could be from just about anywhere (well, other than Asia), I've never felt like a foreigner and have never been subjected to racism (I have, however, had not so pleasant experience with German people, so I know where you're coming from; no offence to all the Germans here, I also have some very good German friends).


During my last stay abroad I met this American muslim girl and she said she'd been discriminated against her whole life (which I could easily imagine); yet her take on discrimination was "I don't mind it, as long as everybody is equally discriminated against." No

Also during this stay abroad, there was this Russian girl who was literally scared of black people... to the point that she would actually cross the street if there was a black person coming her way... Oh, did I mention that that was in Brazil? And that she was a volunteer, working in a creche and then complaining that all those nasty black kiddies wanted to touch her... She was only 21 and it kinda broke my heart that in this century someone this young could be so deluded and full of fear and hate...

It also broke my heart when they told me that my naive belief that there couldn't possibly be any racism in Brazil, of all places, where they are such a mixture of ethnicities, was, well, just that - a naive belief.

To me this is the tribal instinct at work - back from the time where the unknown neighbouring tribe was to be feared, exactly because it was unknown... How this caveman instinct can be alive in this day and age however, is beyond me...Sad

I guess I'd better stop now, 'cause on this particular subject I can go forever...

EDIT: I so know what you mean about the vacant stares and no smiles around these parts. Every time I come back from a visit abroad, it's such a shock, they mean, critical way they look you up and down... grrr

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25-10-2012, 01:34 PM
RE: Rambling about Nationalities and Racism
I blame the Gypsies, but I've never met one so I don't really know why. I actually thought they were a make-believe cultural group when I was a kid. Shocking
It could be the fault of the Bulgarians, though. Evil_monster

Leela, I really like the phrase you used, "person of the planet and not a German anymore."

This is probably the simple solution to ending racism. Of course, getting folks rallied around the idea of being a person of the planet may difficult in this present age. Consider

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25-10-2012, 01:38 PM
RE: Rambling about Nationalities and Racism
Well, it is a pretty simple matter for me.

Concerning nationalities...

Countries are little more than lines drawn on maps. They cannot tell you who you are. Identify yourself however you feel. Whatever feels like home for you is home. For me, my home is in Tennessee. I lived in Virginia from 2007-2012, but no matter what, when asked I was a Tennessean. I am like you and love to travel and experience new things, new cultures, new ways of doing things. Also like you I grew up poor and didn't get the opputunity to travel much. The military allowed me to travel most of the Eastern half of the US, parts of Europe, the middle east, islands in the Atlantic and allowed me to work with virtually every ally we have, and some countries we weren't. I may very well live in Europe sometime down the road, but I will always end up coming back, because this is my home.


Concerning Racism...

Racism is like any other prejudice. There is no good reason to discriminate against someone based on where they are from, the color of their skin, their native tongue, religion, sexual orientation, etc. This includes 'positive discrimination' (Usually in the US, reverse racism). I am against it whole-heartedly, even when it works to my advantage. Recently the US passed a law which rewarded employeers who hired veterans, especially combat veterans due to the high unemployment numbers. I hate that we have a more difficult time getting jobs, but I hate this law as much. The best man (or woman) for the job should get the job, full stop. I am convinced that part of the reason why our unemployment numbers are so high is because people fear that we will snap, or we have other mental issues, but two wrongs do not make a right. That is just my opinion. Thanks for sharing Smile

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25-10-2012, 02:01 PM (This post was last modified: 25-10-2012 02:17 PM by Vera.)
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(25-10-2012 01:34 PM)Erxomai Wrote:  It could be the fault of the Bulgarians, though. Evil_monster

This is probably the simple solution to ending racism. Of course, getting folks rallied around the idea of being a person of the planet may difficult in this present age. Consider

Bring it on, I can take it. I'm so used to guilt, that I might get withdrawal symptoms if I go without any for too long... I shudder to think what might've happened had I been born Catholic.... can you overdose on guilt?

As for the simple solution to end racism... I have this deep fear that we need to divide ourselves into groups and it ain't going anywhere... whenever we evolve into accepting a group we've been marginalising, due to race, gender, what have you, we quickly substitute another one for it...

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25-10-2012, 02:29 PM
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oh my gosh Vera, you have no clue how happy it makes me that you are from Bulgaria!!!
(which is actually not racism but simply the fact that I knew a Vera on another forum and hoped that you are not this same girl, so thanks, you are not!)

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25-10-2012, 02:37 PM
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(25-10-2012 02:29 PM)Leela Wrote:  oh my gosh Vera, you have no clue how happy it makes me that you are from Bulgaria!!!
(which is actually not racism but simply the fact that I knew a Vera on another forum and hoped that you are not this same girl, so thanks, you are not!)

She that horrible? Am not surprised...

Probably it ain't me, 'cause I'm not on any other forums (unless my split personality is getting worseWink)

I have a very very good Romanian friend (actually, a couple), but they're still in Sweden... story of my life, the people I've cared for the most in my life, I've had to leave behind in other countries Sad

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25-10-2012, 03:56 PM
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(25-10-2012 02:37 PM)Vera Wrote:  
(25-10-2012 02:29 PM)Leela Wrote:  oh my gosh Vera, you have no clue how happy it makes me that you are from Bulgaria!!!
(which is actually not racism but simply the fact that I knew a Vera on another forum and hoped that you are not this same girl, so thanks, you are not!)

She that horrible? Am not surprised...

Probably it ain't me, 'cause I'm not on any other forums (unless my split personality is getting worseWink)

I have a very very good Romanian friend (actually, a couple), but they're still in Sweden... story of my life, the people I've cared for the most in my life, I've had to leave behind in other countries Sad

I'm sure they've been thankful to see you go. Big Grin

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25-10-2012, 04:40 PM
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Erx that was just mean Sad Be nice to the not-horrible-Vera

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25-10-2012, 04:50 PM
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(25-10-2012 03:56 PM)Erxomai Wrote:  I'm sure they've been thankful to see you go. Big Grin

If they were indeed thankful, then they'll never see me coming when I come back for them Evil_monster:

(25-10-2012 04:40 PM)Leela Wrote:  Erx that was just mean Sad Be nice to the not-horrible-Vera

About two weeks here was what it took for me to get used to how people are No
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