Ramdom Omegle chat. What happened?
This is a two hour Omegle chat between and atheist and a deist. Can anyone tell me what went wrong in this conversation. Why did this atheist failed to concise this deist?
Theist: Are you an atheist?
Atheist: and proud of it
Atheist: why am i an atheist or why am i proud of it?
Theist: You may address both, in order...
Atheist: there is no evidence to believe in a supernatural being, and im prpud of it hecause it wqs quite a journey for me to let go of my faith
Theist: What religion did you belong to?
Atheist: coptic orthodox.
Atheist: worse than catholicism imo.
Theist: I'm not familiar with your church...
Theist: ..But tell me, what made you leave?
Atheist: well, there was always the question of gow the heck do the priests know all this about life
Atheist: the usual answer would be the bible
Atheist: so then i asked well, how do we know the bible is true?
Atheist: so i read the book
Atheist: everything started breaking down from there
Atheist: are you an atheist?
Theist: I'm a theist, although I do not belong to any religion
Atheist: thats interesting.
Atheist: which god do you follow?
Theist: I'm not sure who he is
Theist: He does not speak to mortals often
Atheist: poes law.
Atheist: so what makes you sure he exists.
Theist: Someone had to create everything
Atheist: all scientific research does not lead to a supernatural first cause.
Theist: It does not lead to anything. It leads to nothing
Theist: They don't know what they are talking about, I think
Atheist: they very much do.
Atheist: do you believe in evolution?
Theist: Describe what you mean by evolution
Atheist: macro evolution, humans sharing a common ancestor from chimps
Theist: I don't know. I've heard of it. But it sounds unlikely
Atheist: but you do realise we have evidence?
Theist: How does it make sense to you that humans could have come from monkeys?
Theist: What kind of evidence do you have?
Atheist: fossil records, genetic, molecular, biogeography, embrology, homology
Atheist: our 2nd chromosome being a fusion of primate chromosomes
Theist: But how can you tell for sure?
Atheist: well, with the fossils
Atheist: you can see the evolution of the species
Atheist: the intermediate stages from primate to homo sapien are evident.
Atheist: fossil records, genetic, molecular, biogeography, embrology, homology
Theist: Again, I don't know. If this happens it is because God made it that way. Whether we change or not does not disprove God.
Atheist: of course it does not disprove god.
Theist: Then why talk about it?
Atheist: many theists dont believe in evolution
Theist: I'm open minded. I understand I can not know everything
Theist: I took philosophy in high school
Atheist: please dont get offended
Atheist: but i feel that you have come to a point where you dont understand something so you credit it to god.
Theist: That may be the case. But I can't see, either, why there should not be a God.
Atheist: but that logic could be applied to anything
Atheist: i could say then, but i dont see why theyre cant be a unicorn
Theist: I'm not that crazy either.
Theist: It is more probable that there is a God than a unicorn
Theist: Because we need a God to exist
Atheist: instead of god cant it be a unicorn?
Atheist: there is no evidence for either..
Theist: Evidence is beyond the realm of God
Atheist: but then i can say evidence is beyond the realm of unicorns
Theist: If he exist but choices not to speak, then we can't know. But he still exist.
Atheist: but dont you see the issue?
Atheist: that logic can be applied to anything
Atheist: just becuase something cannot be disproven does not mean it exists.
Theist: And vise versa
Theist: Just because something cannot be proven does not mean it doesn't exist
Atheist: yes, but then why do you not believe in a unicorn creating the whole world?
Atheist: when something cannot be proven, we have no reason to believein it.
Theist: I don't care what you call it. You can call it 'X' if you want. But someone created the universe
Atheist: how do ypu know this?
Theist: Because I exist
Atheist: science with all its ecidence proves otherwise.
Theist: And I see other things exist
Atheist: yes, could that not have come by natural means?
Theist: God created nature. To prove with it would be to prove him, would it not?
Atheist: no. thats circular reasoning.
Theist: Tell me something. How do you know there is no God. I'm not talking about the christian or Islamic god, but just a God.
Atheist: an atheist does not say there is no god one hundred percent.
Atheist: we say we have no reason to believe in one.
Theist: Why do you not see any reasons?
Atheist: because there is no evidence.
Theist: Evidence requires physical artifacts...
Theist: You cannot prove god that way if he doesn't want to.
Atheist: so bqsicaly, you have to take it on faith?
Theist: Anyway, what evidence would prove to you there is a God?
Theist: Yes, I understand our minds are limited. Somethings we do have to take on faith.
Atheist: if god appeared to me and said somethong along the lines of ypu will fall pregnant and the child shall have no father
Atheist: then it happenned , theres proof.
Atheist: but to take something on faith
Theist: Well, you already have proof like that
Atheist: to believe without evidence makes no sense.
Theist: In the bible. I don't know why you don't accept that
Atheist: ypu really believe the virgin birth took place?
Atheist: and why should we trust the bible?
Theist: I don't know. I don't really want to trust people from that far back
Atheist: LOL, the bible condradicts itself and historians have disproved most of it.
Atheist: do from an intellectual viewpoint we cant trust it.
Theist: I don't believe the bible, per say. I'm just saying that you said that if you saw a woman become pregnant without a father you would believe.
Atheist: if it happenned to me.
Atheist: with god appearing and telling me why
Theist: Why does it have to happen to you?
Atheist: because how can i trust any one else?
Atheist: if i told you god appeared to me, wpukd ypu trust me?
Theist: If it sounds likely, then yes
Theist: If you have earn my trust previously, then yes
Theist: If I know you wouldn't lie, then yes
Atheist: what if im hallucinating?
Theist: I could tell...
Atheist: if i had a delusion tonight
Atheist: then tomorrow i told ypu god appeared to me
Atheist: and i honestly believed it
Atheist: you will see my sincerity, but how will ypu know if it was q delusion or not?
Theist: I don't know if God would let something like that happen
Atheist: but how do you know what god is like?
Theist: Why would he let you have a delusion in the first place?
Atheist: what if he doesnt exist, but i had the delusion?
Theist: You couldn't exist
Theist: Nothing would exist
Atheist: yes, yes we would.
Theist: Okay, explain...
Atheist: science has shown this.
Theist: what has science showed?
Atheist: go on yputube and type in
Atheist: the most astounding fact
Theist: Neil Tyson. I like the guy. Although I don't always agree with him
Atheist: fair enough, hes got quite the mind.
Theist: Okay, so star created us...
Theist: But what created the stars?
Atheist: science is still working on that.
Atheist: a book i suggeat that makes more sense of this is
Atheist: a universe from nothing
Atheist: by laurence kraus
Theist: I saw Kraus lecture. I don't agree
Atheist: why not?
Theist: Who created nothing?
Theist: Or rather...
Theist: The energy present in nothing
Atheist: but you see, just because we dont know it does not mean god did it.
Atheist: it just means er dont yet know.
Theist: But you have to use logic
Theist: Someone had to do it
Atheist: through that
Atheist: where did that someone come from?
Theist: Maybe he always existed
Atheist: now you see the issue
Atheist: you cant use that logic about the energy, but you can qbout god
Atheist: you've added an extra step to explain the universe
Theist: What's wrong with that?
Atheist: but tgrough that step, ypu've raised more questions than you have answered.
Theist: So what?
Theist: there will always be questions
Theist: One has to have faith sometimes
Atheist: one day science will explain where that energy came from.
Theist: I agree
Atheist: just remind ypurself, ignorance does not equal god.
Theist: I think one day science will discover god
Theist: Then there wont be anymore discussion
Atheist: the isssue with god is
Atheist: people have made him unfalsifiable.
Theist: I'm not a christian
Atheist: just in general.
Atheist: if one day, we discover where the energy cwme from
Theist: I don't believe in the god of the bible, that just speaks the universe into existence
Atheist: people will stillvsay, god made it all.
Theist: And so what is wrong with that?
Theist: Someone had to do it
Theist: Of course people will point that out
Atheist: youre missing the point.
Theist: Okay, make your point crear, then
Atheist: there are natural causes, unsupernatural.
Atheist: if we diwcover completely natural causes
Atheist: one which does not require a god
Atheist: people will say, oh that natural process was the process god used to create the univerwe,
Atheist: even though the process does not require a god.
Theist: Have you ever read Flatland by Edwin Abbott?
Atheist: no. heard if it though.
Theist: Its a story of a universe where everything is two dimentional
Theist: Then a three-dimentional object interact with it
Theist: But for the people on the 2d would it looks like magic
Theist: Because they can't see 3d
Theist: They only see 2d portion of the 3d object
Theist: I think that hold in our world, too
Theist: Maybe God is in another dimension we cannot see
Theist: .. And will never see
Theist: It's just out of our reach
Atheist: yes, but we have no proof
Atheist: the issue with faith is
Theist: You cannot prove it
Theist: Why does everything have to be proven?
Atheist: because then you can velieve in anuthing?
Atheist: you can believe you can fly, but not in this world
Atheist: have you heard of bertanand russela teapot analogy?
Atheist: look it up,it captures my point.
Atheist: but lets say for arguments sake, that god exists
Atheist: what makes you think he cares about us?
Atheist: or about this tiny dot in a vast cosmos
Theist: I don't know if he cares. I don't care if he cares. He can do whatever he wants.
Atheist: oh, so you are deist.
Theist: I will have to look that up
Theist: According to wikipedia, yes
Theist: It describes me well
Theist: At least the first sentence does
Atheist: you sound like a deist.
Theist: But you see, I don't know whether god choices to do nothing in this world
Theist: Maybe he does
Theist: maybe he doesn't
Theist: How could I know what he thinks?
Atheist: if he exists imo
Atheist: hes evil.
Theist: Have you seen The Matrix?
Atheist: no i have not.
Theist: imagine that scientist build this supercomputer that can simulate an universe
Theist: that they make a program of this universe and in that universe the laws make it so that there is life somewhere
Theist: The scientist can go and change the program at anytime
Theist: But maybe he just wants to see what happens and learn
Theist: I think God is a scientist. lol
Atheist: LOL ypu have an interesting mind.
Theist: Maybe God didn't didn't create anything but we are just a dream in his mind
Theist: and everytime he dreams is a big bang..
Theist: I don't know...
Atheist: how old are ypu?
Atheist: theres many possibilities
Theist: How old are you?
Theist: You should listen to your elders
Theist: (me) =)
Atheist: where are you from?
Theist: I would rather not say
Atheist: fair enough.
Theist: I would rather keep this conversations private
Atheist: creepers are everywhere.
Theist: I can say that I'm from North America...
Atheist: ive always wanted to go to america.
Theist: That's broad enough
Theist: North America =/= USA, but whatever
Theist: Yeah, I'm from USA
Atheist: isnt north america in the usa?
Theist: North America = Canada, USA, Mexico, Cuba, Puerto rico, ...
Atheist: im horrible qt georgraphy
Atheist: wow, today i learnt something.
Theist: What continent are you from
Theist: Is Australia full of atheist?
Atheist: not really.
Atheist: its like a 6/30 ratio
Theist: I've heard Europe is full of atheist..
Atheist: LOL canada is too?
Theist: What about Canada?
Atheist: full of atheists.
Theist: They are all christians here
Atheist: america needs to seperate church from state.
Theist: I agree
Theist: Christians are crazy
Atheist: they sure are!
Atheist: not as bad as muslims however.
Theist: That's why I don't like religion
Theist: It controls you
Theist: You should only believe in what you can feel
Atheist: as hitchens said, religion is a totalitarian regime.
Theist: Didn't he die?
Atheist: yes ):
Theist: Where do atheist go when they die?
Atheist: i dont think anything happens to anyone when they die.
Atheist: rot in the ground
Atheist: what do you think?
Theist: I know, but what happens to their soul?
Atheist: i dont believe in souls
Atheist: its someghing made up by religions
Theist: There's must be a soul
Theist: How can you live forever if there is no soul?
Atheist: you dont live forever..
Theist: maybe live is not the right word
Theist: I think God has a place for our soul when we die
Atheist: why do you think that?
Theist: I don't know if it is heaven, but there must be a place
Theist: If there was not how would I 'live' after death?
Atheist: you dont.
Atheist: or atleast i dont believe ypu do.
Theist: Do you really think that?
Theist: You think is game over when you die?
Atheist: i sure do.
Atheist: and it makes life all the more beautiful.
Theist: Then life would be worthless to you
Theist: Why do things if you just die at the end?
Atheist: because ypu qre alive now.
Atheist: you can love and be loved
Theist: Why do anything if it will end?
Atheist: be a good person, leave tge world making it a better placr for others
Atheist: everything ends?
Theist: That's what you said.
Atheist: yes, i mean Everything in life ends
Atheist: its selfish to want it to go on firever
Atheist: its like saying why watch a movue if it will end
Atheist: enjoy it.
Theist: I will not apologize if I'm made selffish
Theist: But I think there is a place where our souls go to after we die in here
Theist: Maybe we are burn in another planet with life on the other side of this universe.
Atheist: LOL you are cute.
Atheist: i have to go though
Theist: I don't know
Theist: I'm just saying
Atheist: nice conversation
Theist: It's been long