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03-07-2012, 03:01 AM
Information Ramdom Omegle chat. What happened?
This is a two hour Omegle chat between and atheist and a deist. Can anyone tell me what went wrong in this conversation. Why did this atheist failed to concise this deist?
Quote:Theist: Hi
Atheist: hi
Theist: Are you an atheist?
Atheist: and proud of it Smile
Theist: Why?
Atheist: why am i an atheist or why am i proud of it?
Theist: You may address both, in order...
Atheist: there is no evidence to believe in a supernatural being, and im prpud of it hecause it wqs quite a journey for me to let go of my faith Smile
Theist: What religion did you belong to?
Theist: -ed*
Atheist: coptic orthodox.
Atheist: worse than catholicism imo.
Theist: I'm not familiar with your church...
Theist: ..But tell me, what made you leave?
Atheist: well, there was always the question of gow the heck do the priests know all this about life
Atheist: the usual answer would be the bible
Atheist: so then i asked well, how do we know the bible is true?
Atheist: so i read the book
Atheist: everything started breaking down from there
Atheist: are you an atheist?
Theist: No
Theist: I'm a theist, although I do not belong to any religion
Atheist: thats interesting.
Atheist: which god do you follow?
Theist: I'm not sure who he is
Theist: He does not speak to mortals often
Atheist: poes law.
Theist: ???
Atheist: so what makes you sure he exists.
Theist: Someone had to create everything
Atheist: well..no
Atheist: all scientific research does not lead to a supernatural first cause.
Theist: It does not lead to anything. It leads to nothing
Theist: They don't know what they are talking about, I think
Atheist: they very much do.
Atheist: do you believe in evolution?
Theist: Describe what you mean by evolution
Atheist: macro evolution, humans sharing a common ancestor from chimps
Theist: I don't know. I've heard of it. But it sounds unlikely
Atheist: but you do realise we have evidence?
Theist: How does it make sense to you that humans could have come from monkeys?
Theist: What kind of evidence do you have?
Atheist: fossil records, genetic, molecular, biogeography, embrology, homology
Atheist: our 2nd chromosome being a fusion of primate chromosomes
Theist: But how can you tell for sure?
Atheist: well, with the fossils
Atheist: you can see the evolution of the species
Atheist: the intermediate stages from primate to homo sapien are evident.
Atheist: fossil records, genetic, molecular, biogeography, embrology, homology
Theist: Again, I don't know. If this happens it is because God made it that way. Whether we change or not does not disprove God.
Atheist: of course it does not disprove god.
Theist: Then why talk about it?
Atheist: many theists dont believe in evolution
Theist: I'm open minded. I understand I can not know everything
Theist: I took philosophy in high school
Atheist: please dont get offended
Atheist: but i feel that you have come to a point where you dont understand something so you credit it to god.
Theist: That may be the case. But I can't see, either, why there should not be a God.
Atheist: but that logic could be applied to anything
Atheist: i could say then, but i dont see why theyre cant be a unicorn
Theist: I'm not that crazy either.
Theist: It is more probable that there is a God than a unicorn
Atheist: why?
Theist: Because we need a God to exist
Atheist: instead of god cant it be a unicorn?
Atheist: there is no evidence for either..
Theist: Evidence is beyond the realm of God
Atheist: but then i can say evidence is beyond the realm of unicorns
Theist: If he exist but choices not to speak, then we can't know. But he still exist.
Atheist: but dont you see the issue?
Atheist: that logic can be applied to anything
Atheist: just becuase something cannot be disproven does not mean it exists.
Theist: And vise versa
Theist: Just because something cannot be proven does not mean it doesn't exist
Atheist: yes, but then why do you not believe in a unicorn creating the whole world?
Atheist: when something cannot be proven, we have no reason to believein it.
Theist: I don't care what you call it. You can call it 'X' if you want. But someone created the universe
Atheist: how do ypu know this?
Theist: Because I exist
Atheist: science with all its ecidence proves otherwise.
Theist: And I see other things exist
Atheist: yes, could that not have come by natural means?
Theist: God created nature. To prove with it would be to prove him, would it not?
Atheist: no. thats circular reasoning.
Theist: Tell me something. How do you know there is no God. I'm not talking about the christian or Islamic god, but just a God.
Atheist: an atheist does not say there is no god one hundred percent.
Atheist: we say we have no reason to believe in one.
Theist: Why do you not see any reasons?
Atheist: because there is no evidence.
Theist: Evidence requires physical artifacts...
Theist: You cannot prove god that way if he doesn't want to.
Atheist: so bqsicaly, you have to take it on faith?
Theist: Anyway, what evidence would prove to you there is a God?
Theist: Yes, I understand our minds are limited. Somethings we do have to take on faith.
Atheist: if god appeared to me and said somethong along the lines of ypu will fall pregnant and the child shall have no father
Atheist: then it happenned , theres proof.
Atheist: but to take something on faith
Theist: Well, you already have proof like that
Atheist: to believe without evidence makes no sense.
Theist: In the bible. I don't know why you don't accept that
Atheist: ypu really believe the virgin birth took place?
Atheist: and why should we trust the bible?
Theist: I don't know. I don't really want to trust people from that far back
Atheist: LOL, the bible condradicts itself and historians have disproved most of it.
Atheist: do from an intellectual viewpoint we cant trust it.
Theist: I don't believe the bible, per say. I'm just saying that you said that if you saw a woman become pregnant without a father you would believe.
Atheist: no.
Atheist: if it happenned to me.
Atheist: with god appearing and telling me why
Theist: Why does it have to happen to you?
Atheist: because how can i trust any one else?
Atheist: if i told you god appeared to me, wpukd ypu trust me?
Theist: Depends
Theist: If it sounds likely, then yes
Theist: If you have earn my trust previously, then yes
Theist: If I know you wouldn't lie, then yes
Atheist: what if im hallucinating?
Theist: I could tell...
Atheist: really?
Atheist: if i had a delusion tonight
Atheist: then tomorrow i told ypu god appeared to me
Atheist: and i honestly believed it
Atheist: you will see my sincerity, but how will ypu know if it was q delusion or not?
Theist: I don't know if God would let something like that happen
Atheist: but how do you know what god is like?
Theist: Why would he let you have a delusion in the first place?
Atheist: what if he doesnt exist, but i had the delusion?
Theist: You couldn't exist
Theist: Nothing would exist
Atheist: yes, yes we would.
Theist: Okay, explain...
Atheist: science has shown this.
Theist: what has science showed?
Atheist: go on yputube and type in
Atheist: the most astounding fact
Theist: Neil Tyson. I like the guy. Although I don't always agree with him
Atheist: fair enough, hes got quite the mind.
Theist: Okay, so star created us...
Theist: But what created the stars?
Atheist: science is still working on that.
Atheist: a book i suggeat that makes more sense of this is
Atheist: a universe from nothing
Atheist: by laurence kraus
Theist: I saw Kraus lecture. I don't agree
Atheist: why not?
Theist: Who created nothing?
Theist: Or rather...
Theist: The energy present in nothing
Atheist: but you see, just because we dont know it does not mean god did it.
Atheist: it just means er dont yet know.
Theist: But you have to use logic
Theist: Someone had to do it
Atheist: no..
Atheist: through that
Atheist: where did that someone come from?
Theist: Well..
Theist: Maybe he always existed
Atheist: now you see the issue
Atheist: you cant use that logic about the energy, but you can qbout god
Atheist: you've added an extra step to explain the universe
Theist: What's wrong with that?
Atheist: but tgrough that step, ypu've raised more questions than you have answered.
Theist: So what?
Theist: there will always be questions
Theist: One has to have faith sometimes
Atheist: one day science will explain where that energy came from.
Theist: I agree
Atheist: just remind ypurself, ignorance does not equal god.
Theist: I think one day science will discover god
Theist: Then there wont be anymore discussion
Atheist: the isssue with god is
Atheist: people have made him unfalsifiable.
Theist: I'm not a christian
Atheist: just in general.
Atheist: if one day, we discover where the energy cwme from
Theist: I don't believe in the god of the bible, that just speaks the universe into existence
Atheist: people will stillvsay, god made it all.
Theist: And so what is wrong with that?
Theist: Someone had to do it
Theist: Of course people will point that out
Atheist: no..
Atheist: youre missing the point.
Theist: Okay, make your point crear, then
Atheist: there are natural causes, unsupernatural.
Atheist: if we diwcover completely natural causes
Atheist: one which does not require a god
Atheist: people will say, oh that natural process was the process god used to create the univerwe,
Atheist: even though the process does not require a god.
Theist: Have you ever read Flatland by Edwin Abbott?
Atheist: no. heard if it though.
Theist: Its a story of a universe where everything is two dimentional
Theist: Then a three-dimentional object interact with it
Theist: But for the people on the 2d would it looks like magic
Theist: Because they can't see 3d
Theist: They only see 2d portion of the 3d object
Theist: I think that hold in our world, too
Theist: holds*
Theist: Maybe God is in another dimension we cannot see
Theist: .. And will never see
Theist: It's just out of our reach
Atheist: yes, but we have no proof
Atheist: the issue with faith is
Theist: You cannot prove it
Theist: Why does everything have to be proven?
Atheist: because then you can velieve in anuthing?
Atheist: you can believe you can fly, but not in this world
Atheist: have you heard of bertanand russela teapot analogy?
Theist: No
Atheist: look it up,it captures my point.
Atheist: but lets say for arguments sake, that god exists
Atheist: what makes you think he cares about us?
Atheist: or about this tiny dot in a vast cosmos
Theist: I don't know if he cares. I don't care if he cares. He can do whatever he wants.
Atheist: oh, so you are deist.
Theist: deist?
Theist: I will have to look that up
Theist: According to wikipedia, yes
Theist: It describes me well
Theist: At least the first sentence does
Atheist: LOL
Atheist: you sound like a deist.
Theist: But you see, I don't know whether god choices to do nothing in this world
Theist: Maybe he does
Theist: maybe he doesn't
Theist: How could I know what he thinks?
Atheist: exactly.
Theist: What?
Atheist: if he exists imo
Atheist: hes evil.
Theist: Well
Theist: Have you seen The Matrix?
Atheist: no i have not.
Theist: Hmm...
Theist: Well
Theist: imagine that scientist build this supercomputer that can simulate an universe
Theist: that they make a program of this universe and in that universe the laws make it so that there is life somewhere
Theist: The scientist can go and change the program at anytime
Theist: But maybe he just wants to see what happens and learn
Theist: I think God is a scientist. lol
Atheist: LOL ypu have an interesting mind.
Theist: Maybe God didn't didn't create anything but we are just a dream in his mind
Theist: and everytime he dreams is a big bang..
Theist: I don't know...
Atheist: how old are ypu?
Theist: 116
Theist: 16
Atheist: theres many possibilities
Theist: How old are you?
Atheist: 15
Theist: Ha
Theist: You should listen to your elders
Theist: (me) =)
Atheist: LOL
Atheist: where are you from?
Theist: I would rather not say
Atheist: fair enough.
Theist: I would rather keep this conversations private
Atheist: creepers are everywhere.
Theist: I can say that I'm from North America...
Atheist: ive always wanted to go to america.
Theist: That's broad enough
Theist: North America =/= USA, but whatever
Theist: Yeah, I'm from USA
Atheist: really?
Atheist: isnt north america in the usa?
Theist: North America = Canada, USA, Mexico, Cuba, Puerto rico, ...
Atheist: im horrible qt georgraphy
Atheist: OH
Atheist: wow, today i learnt something.
Theist: What continent are you from
Theist: ?
Atheist: australia
Theist: Is Australia full of atheist?
Atheist: um,
Atheist: not really.
Atheist: its like a 6/30 ratio
Theist: I've heard Europe is full of atheist..
Theist: But..
Theist: failed...
Atheist: LOL canada is too?
Theist: What about Canada?
Atheist: full of atheists.
Theist: Nah
Theist: They are all christians here
Atheist: america needs to seperate church from state.
Theist: I agree
Theist: Christians are crazy
Atheist: they sure are!
Atheist: not as bad as muslims however.
Theist: That's why I don't like religion
Theist: It controls you
Theist: You should only believe in what you can feel
Atheist: as hitchens said, religion is a totalitarian regime.
Theist: hm...
Theist: Didn't he die?
Atheist: yes ):
Theist: Where do atheist go when they die?
Atheist: i dont think anything happens to anyone when they die.
Atheist: rot in the ground
Atheist: what do you think?
Theist: I know, but what happens to their soul?
Atheist: i dont believe in souls
Atheist: its someghing made up by religions
Theist: No
Theist: There's must be a soul
Atheist: why?
Theist: How can you live forever if there is no soul?
Atheist: you dont live forever..
Theist: maybe live is not the right word
Theist: I think God has a place for our soul when we die
Atheist: why do you think that?
Theist: I don't know if it is heaven, but there must be a place
Theist: If there was not how would I 'live' after death?
Atheist: you dont.
Atheist: or atleast i dont believe ypu do.
Theist: Do you really think that?
Theist: You think is game over when you die?
Atheist: i sure do.
Atheist: and it makes life all the more beautiful.
Theist: Then life would be worthless to you
Atheist: no.
Theist: Why do things if you just die at the end?
Atheist: because ypu qre alive now.
Atheist: you can love and be loved
Theist: Why do anything if it will end?
Atheist: be a good person, leave tge world making it a better placr for others
Atheist: everything ends?
Theist: That's what you said.
Atheist: yes, i mean Everything in life ends
Atheist: its selfish to want it to go on firever
Atheist: its like saying why watch a movue if it will end
Atheist: enjoy it.
Theist: I will not apologize if I'm made selffish
Theist: But I think there is a place where our souls go to after we die in here
Theist: Maybe we are burn in another planet with life on the other side of this universe.
Atheist: LOL you are cute.
Atheist: i have to go though
Theist: I don't know
Theist: I'm just saying
Atheist: nice conversation Smile
Theist: Yeah
Atheist: bye Smile
Theist: It's been long
Theist: bye

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03-07-2012, 04:02 AM
RE: Ramdom Omegle chat. What happened?
15 year old atheist and 16 year old theist (deist)??? Jesus Christ, if only I was this intelligent and religion aware when I was 15-16... I only hope that this atheist is going to learn some geography, "I thought that north america is in USA" is just unacceptable.

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03-07-2012, 06:07 AM
RE: Ramdom Omegle chat. What happened?
(03-07-2012 04:02 AM)Filox Wrote:  15 year old atheist and 16 year old theist (deist)??? Jesus Christ, if only I was this intelligent and religion aware when I was 15-16... I only hope that this atheist is going to learn some geography, "I thought that north america is in USA" is just unacceptable.


I was aware of these things when i was 12,that was also the age i proclaimed i am an atheist.
And by the age of 14 i was an anti-theist...

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03-07-2012, 07:23 AM
RE: Ramdom Omegle chat. What happened?
(03-07-2012 06:07 AM)znk666 Wrote:  
(03-07-2012 04:02 AM)Filox Wrote:  15 year old atheist and 16 year old theist (deist)??? Jesus Christ, if only I was this intelligent and religion aware when I was 15-16... I only hope that this atheist is going to learn some geography, "I thought that north america is in USA" is just unacceptable.


I was aware of these things when i was 12,that was also the age i proclaimed i am an atheist.
And by the age of 14 i was an anti-theist...
Want a cookie, bro? Everybody( who is an atheist)gets there eventually. Just because you got there younger doesn't make you anymore special than the rest of them. Personally, I would have preffered to be older simply because you would have more freedom. Currently I am fifteen and am an atheist, going onto anti-theist. I am quite sure that there are people that are smarter than me, or had more sense than me, who converted later.

Sorry if that's not the way you ment it, but I kinda saw it as a bit bragging.

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03-07-2012, 08:16 AM
RE: Ramdom Omegle chat. What happened?
Quote:Ramdom Omegle chat. What happened?

Omegle happened.
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04-07-2012, 04:19 AM
RE: Ramdom Omegle chat. What happened?
(03-07-2012 07:23 AM)Atothetheist Wrote:  
(03-07-2012 06:07 AM)znk666 Wrote:  I was aware of these things when i was 12,that was also the age i proclaimed i am an atheist.
And by the age of 14 i was an anti-theist...
Want a cookie, bro? Everybody( who is an atheist)gets there eventually. Just because you got there younger doesn't make you anymore special than the rest of them. Personally, I would have preffered to be older simply because you would have more freedom. Currently I am fifteen and am an atheist, going onto anti-theist. I am quite sure that there are people that are smarter than me, or had more sense than me, who converted later.

Sorry if that's not the way you ment it, but I kinda saw it as a bit bragging.
I was only responding to Filox's post,i didn't mean anything by it.

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04-07-2012, 04:28 AM
RE: Ramdom Omegle chat. What happened?
I wasn't thinking about those things back then, because I wasn't pressed with religions and my freedom was never in question because of religion. I see that these kids have a different childhood, with more religion in their everyday life, so that makes them (the smart ones) explore, learn about, study and then run away from religion. This is very recommendable and plausible thing to do.

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