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25-05-2016, 07:51 AM
Randian Libertarianism
I stumbled across this article and found it interesting: Here are 11 questions you can ask libertarians to see if they're hypocrites

I dabbled with the idea of libertarianism a few years ago, until I actually started looking into it in detail. It was actually because of Penn Jillette's book, "God, No!: Signs You May Already Be an Atheist and Other Magical Tales". Which is okay for the first half or so (I disagree with some of his positions regarding atheism) but then it turned into more rant-driven about pro-libertarian ideas. I hadn't quite expected that but was okay with it since I was looking into calling myself a libertarian ("socially liberal but fiscally conservative" was the trope I'd parrot). Then I realized that it sounded fucking stupid and hypocritical and unrealistic and unbelievably selfish. I'll give Penn Jillette this much credit about his book, it definitely changed my mind on libertarianism.

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25-05-2016, 08:07 AM
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I have the sneaking suspicion that many of Ayn Rand's followers are either on the spectrum or suffer from some other disorder that affects empathy. I don't mean that as an insult or in a denigrating way, it's simply the only way I can make sense of their complete lack of understanding of human nature. They don't understand the unfortunate truth that an overwhelming monopoly on 'violence' is required to keep the peace in societies that number in the tens and hundreds of millions. On an even bigger scale, it takes the threat of total nuclear annihilation to establish lasting world peace*. That Randian libertarianism would be a disaster is something you can find out by spending time with and understanding the different types of people in the world, but it's something that libertarians should also be able to learn by studying the history of our species.

*Iraq, Afghanistan, Ukraine and all the other countries that have been invaded in the past couple of decades all share a curious characteristic: the lack of nuclear weapons. There has been no outright war between nuclear nations since WWII.

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25-05-2016, 10:19 AM
RE: Randian Libertarianism
(25-05-2016 07:51 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  I stumbled across this article and found it interesting: Here are 11 questions you can ask libertarians to see if they're hypocrites

I dabbled with the idea of libertarianism a few years ago, until I actually started looking into it in detail. It was actually because of Penn Jillette's book, "God, No!: Signs You May Already Be an Atheist and Other Magical Tales". Which is okay for the first half or so (I disagree with some of his positions regarding atheism) but then it turned into more rant-driven about pro-libertarian ideas. I hadn't quite expected that but was okay with it since I was looking into calling myself a libertarian ("socially liberal but fiscally conservative" was the trope I'd parrot). Then I realized that it sounded fucking stupid and hypocritical and unrealistic and unbelievably selfish. I'll give Penn Jillette this much credit about his book, it definitely changed my mind on libertarianism.

I liked the part where he talked about the old ladies at potlucks who would make Coffee Jello Squares.

My issue with libertarians in a grand sense is they seem to not grasp how arbitrary their dividing lines are. The criterias of government only doing X and not Y all come out of the thin blue air. To protect private property but not protect education or to not secure firefighting services as well to some.. it's all just brought out up on an undefined wavelength.

"Allow there to be a spectrum in all that you see" - Neil Degrasse Tyson
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25-05-2016, 11:06 AM
RE: Randian Libertarianism
(25-05-2016 08:07 AM)Vosur Wrote:  I have the sneaking suspicion that many of Ayn Rand's followers are either on the spectrum or suffer from some other disorder that affects empathy. I don't mean that as an insult or in a denigrating way, it's simply the only way I can make sense of their complete lack of understanding of human nature.

I used to be a libertarian, until I began reading more about Ayn Rand -- which is a utopian ideal that free markets fix everything and corporations will never do anything to impede progress or do real harm -- collateral damage is totally ok.........

But before that I went to a meeting with a friend -- it started off ok, seemed sorta rational....but then....

Then they started down the road that the EPA should be dismantled and OSHA shouldn't need to exist -- unions are the bane of existence...yada yada ya...

Later on the way home, my friend and I were talking, she was going on and on about those 'government people' telling her how to run her business (she had gotten into trouble for keeping the bathroom door locked so her employees had to ask her for a key). So I asked her about the fire in 1911 where some garment workers (all female) were trapped in their building because their employer felt it was ok to keep exits chained during working hours -- so the girls couldn't slack off. My friend defended the employer, saying they had the right to do what was needed to get a job done!

Blink

Yeah, needless to say libertarians and I quietly parted ways...


But as if to knock me down, reality came around
And without so much as a mere touch, cut me into little pieces

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25-05-2016, 03:52 PM
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You know why the Invisible Hand is invisible. Because there ain't no fucking "Invisible Hand".

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25-05-2016, 04:01 PM
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Yeah, I used to be a libertarian. I still cotton to the smallest practical government, but after fifty years of watching shitbags in action, I don't trust fellow people to behave civilly.
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25-05-2016, 04:25 PM
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I am on another message board and one libertarian shouts every week that he doesn't see any difference between the communist party and the USA democrat party.
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25-05-2016, 04:30 PM
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(25-05-2016 03:52 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  You know why the Invisible Hand is invisible. Because there ain't no fucking "Invisible Hand".

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Kind of like the invisible dog er God!
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25-05-2016, 04:30 PM
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(25-05-2016 04:25 PM)Born Again Pagan Wrote:  I am on another message board and one libertarian shouts every week that he doesn't see any difference between the communist party and the USA democrat party.

That sounds like a libertarian.

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25-05-2016, 10:06 PM
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(25-05-2016 04:25 PM)Born Again Pagan Wrote:  I am on another message board and one libertarian shouts every week that he doesn't see any difference between the communist party and the USA democrat party.

No difference? They're hardly liberal, let alone socialist. Dodgy

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