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27-07-2015, 01:34 PM
RE: Randomness
(27-07-2015 11:42 AM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  
(27-07-2015 10:51 AM)Dom Wrote:  People can't wrap their head around randomness.

That is one reason why we have religion, say "it was meant to be" and "there is a purpose for everything".

It is also the cause of gambling addictions - gamblers are forever hunting that elusive winning pattern. From switching the betting amount on a slot machine up and down or rubbing a "lucky item" all over the machine in the hopes it will trigger something, to carrying dolls and special daubers and whatnot to bingo games.

It's all to appease the unease that befalls us when confronted with randomness. We need patterns, our intelligence is based on patterns.

This is why my husband shoots craps and no longer bothers with the other crap.

When I play slots...I go with the idea that I'll lose. I know I won't win...so I only play with whatever I'm comfortable throwing away and call it entertainment.

I once spent 6 hours in a casino on $40. Now, I consider that a good day, I was entertained thoroughly for the whole 6 hours.

But yeah I see people touching the slot machines. Or chanting...

It's kinda funny.

I do the very same thing. If I can find a nickel machine or even a penny slot machine I'll spend the good part of an afternoon slowly dropping $30 bucks it the machine. I know the house has the advantage, it's just entertainment.

A month or so ago my husband was returning from the coast and stopped by one of those Indian casinos, went in and played craps, won $300, left the table, got back in the car and came home. He's a good boy.

Shakespeare's Comedy of Errors.... on Donald J. Trump:

He is deformed, crooked, old, and sere,
Ill-fac’d, worse bodied, shapeless every where;
Vicious, ungentle, foolish, blunt, unkind,
Stigmatical in making, worse in mind.
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27-07-2015, 01:37 PM
RE: Randomness
(27-07-2015 11:12 AM)onlinebiker Wrote:  It's also very hard to actually create something that is totally random.

When i was randomising for RCTs, I'd get my initial seed from a site called random.org which tries to produce numbers as random as possible. They use sources such as times to decay in radioactive elements which we can't predict. But I wonder if that's just a limitation in our knowledge in atomic science. Maybe in a hundred years, we can look at a given atom and say "That will decay in 5..4..3..2..1..poof!!"

I'm sure many of you are aware that the random numbers produced by computer programs aren't actually random. They're called pseudo-random numbers. Each number is generated from the number preceding it. this might seem terrible, but actually isn't. The numbers give us a pretty good balance in terms of say gender balance, age group balance etc.
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27-07-2015, 01:56 PM
RE: Randomness
(27-07-2015 01:34 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  
(27-07-2015 11:42 AM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  This is why my husband shoots craps and no longer bothers with the other crap.

When I play slots...I go with the idea that I'll lose. I know I won't win...so I only play with whatever I'm comfortable throwing away and call it entertainment.

I once spent 6 hours in a casino on $40. Now, I consider that a good day, I was entertained thoroughly for the whole 6 hours.

But yeah I see people touching the slot machines. Or chanting...

It's kinda funny.

I do the very same thing. If I can find a nickel machine or even a penny slot machine I'll spend the good part of an afternoon slowly dropping $30 bucks it the machine. I know the house has the advantage, it's just entertainment.

A month or so ago my husband was returning from the coast and stopped by one of those Indian casinos, went in and played craps, won $300, left the table, got back in the car and came home. He's a good boy.

Husband goes to one near the coast, he parks himself at the crap table. More than a couple times he's come home with a couple grand -- so he was happy.

He always starts with a couple hundred bucks so not a terrible return for a few hours of standing -- if the shooters are lousy he leaves. He wouldn't say how much he won when we went to Vegas last. But he didn't blink when I asked if I could have one those huge Eiffel tower margarita slushy things...with extra booze. Big Grin


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27-07-2015, 01:59 PM
RE: Randomness
(27-07-2015 01:18 PM)jockmcdock Wrote:  
(27-07-2015 11:42 AM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  But yeah I see people touching the slot machines. Or chanting...

Many years ago, I lived in South Australia. At that time, we didn't have casinos or slot machines. Yeah, I'm old.

I used to ride a bike (Kawasaki 900) and went to New South Wales where they did have them. I decided to go to a club to see what the excitement was about. I decided I'd spend no more than $2 - that was about 4 beers worth, back then Now it's not even half a beer. But I spent most of the evening watching other people play. It was truly educational and frightening. I saw people pumping money into slot machines like there was no tomorrow. And they did their little dances and said their prayers. Sad.

I eventually lost my two bucks. I had been 80c ahead and should have quit.

My (now adult) daughter and her partner went to South Oz a few years ago to catch up with Granny and a few relatives. I suggested they visit the pub I used to drink in. I told them to walk in through the back door. They did and came into a room full of slot machines. They moved into the main bar where they were treated to about 18 televisions featuring horse racing from all around Australia as well as greyhound racing. In one corner was a betting agency where you could place your bets.

What had once been a pretty decent pub was now a betting shop where you could drink booze.

Yeah, there was a card room in California, they used to have the best food...but then the card aspect took hold and it was never the same. Not the kind of place you'd bring the family to.


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27-07-2015, 02:00 PM
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I work with this sweet Irish Catholic gramma nurse. Every time she goes to the cassino, (maybe once a month) she returns with AT LEAST $500 profit. I have no clue how she does it. Many times I hear "Oh I hit the *this or that jackpot*.
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27-07-2015, 02:38 PM
RE: Randomness
The only trick is to quit when you win. I used to put half back into the game and half in my pocket everytime I won. Sometimes I'd end up ahead, sometimes I'd still lose some, sometimes I'd break even and have another day to play.

Card games are interesting. In blackjack you can count cards - in theory, in reality if you do you will get caught and removed from the casino. They are quite good at reading your face.

In poker you get a random hand - but, what you do from hereon out is skill. That's why you have the same guys winning tournaments over and over...

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27-07-2015, 03:00 PM
RE: Randomness
(27-07-2015 02:38 PM)Dom Wrote:  The only trick is to quit when you win. I used to put half back into the game and half in my pocket everytime I won. Sometimes I'd end up ahead, sometimes I'd still lose some, sometimes I'd break even and have another day to play.

I used to have a mate when I was at Uni who used to bet on the horses. He always maintained he came out about even. Which made me wonder why the bookies rode home in fancy cars while he had a crap rusty piece of crap.
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27-07-2015, 03:09 PM
RE: Randomness
(27-07-2015 03:00 PM)jockmcdock Wrote:  
(27-07-2015 02:38 PM)Dom Wrote:  The only trick is to quit when you win. I used to put half back into the game and half in my pocket everytime I won. Sometimes I'd end up ahead, sometimes I'd still lose some, sometimes I'd break even and have another day to play.

I used to have a mate when I was at Uni who used to bet on the horses. He always maintained he came out about even. Which made me wonder why the bookies rode home in fancy cars while he had a crap rusty piece of crap.

He was not an addict, he viewed it as recreation.

Addicts can't stop and in the long run you always lose. If you know when to stop and have a bit of luck, you can gamble and walk away unscathed.

All gambling lets you win some and lose some. It is the win/lose cycles that make it attractive and exciting. Just depends on whether you are willing to stop when you are ahead. Most people are not, but most also stick to a budget and call the whole thing entertainment, which is what it is.

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27-07-2015, 03:21 PM
RE: Randomness
(27-07-2015 03:09 PM)Dom Wrote:  He was not an addict, he viewed it as recreation.

I never claimed he was an addict. Being a recreational better does not give you better odds than an addict. A horse has odds of 7/4 (or whatever) whether you're an occasional punter or an addict.

A recreational punter will lose hundreds os dollars. An addict will lose thousands.
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27-07-2015, 04:38 PM
RE: Randomness
(27-07-2015 11:12 AM)onlinebiker Wrote:  It's also very hard to actually create something that is totally random.

Cryptographers found that out a long time ago....

Currently we can't do it. We might be able to with quantum computers but we can't yet.

#sigh
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