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08-12-2012, 03:07 PM
RE: Ranting corner
(08-12-2012 03:04 PM)Vera Wrote:  Nope, nothing wussy about it. Just pointless. How can I explain to you what it is like to be deep in thought? Tongue
You can't. It would be like explaining color to a blind man. Drinking Beverage

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08-12-2012, 03:16 PM
RE: Ranting corner
(08-12-2012 03:07 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(08-12-2012 03:04 PM)Vera Wrote:  Nope, nothing wussy about it. Just pointless. How can I explain to you what it is like to be deep in thought? Tongue
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Exactly what I meant, but brain's not working properly. Ta!

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08-12-2012, 03:22 PM
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(08-12-2012 03:07 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(08-12-2012 03:04 PM)Vera Wrote:  Nope, nothing wussy about it. Just pointless. How can I explain to you what it is like to be deep in thought? Tongue
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Variations in frequency of electromagnetic radiation detectable by a normally functioning human eye. Drinking Beverage
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08-12-2012, 03:27 PM
RE: Ranting corner
(08-12-2012 03:22 PM)morondog Wrote:  
(08-12-2012 03:07 PM)Chas Wrote:  You can't. It would be like explaining color to a blind man. Drinking Beverage
Variations in frequency of electromagnetic radiation detectable by a normally functioning human eye. Drinking Beverage


Which he would hear as "blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah."

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08-12-2012, 03:29 PM
RE: Ranting corner
(08-12-2012 03:27 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(08-12-2012 03:22 PM)morondog Wrote:  Variations in frequency of electromagnetic radiation detectable by a normally functioning human eye. Drinking Beverage


Which he would hear as "blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah."
If he was able to understand sunlight and the relevant theories were explained to him I'm sure he'd get it no problemo. You = determined to prove that I'm a moron Angry
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08-12-2012, 03:32 PM
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(08-12-2012 03:29 PM)morondog Wrote:  You = determined to prove that I'm a moron Angry
That was predestined, preordained and predetermined by your nickname... Unless you prefer that we consider you a dog Consider

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08-12-2012, 03:35 PM
RE: Ranting corner
(08-12-2012 03:29 PM)morondog Wrote:  
(08-12-2012 03:27 PM)Chas Wrote:  Which he would hear as "blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah."
If he was able to understand sunlight and the relevant theories were explained to him I'm sure he'd get it no problemo. You = determined to prove that I'm a moron Angry
You could not describe that if there is no common frame of reference, in
a shared experience, which a blind person would not have of color (if
they were blind all their life, of course).



Communication between two beings requires that the same symbol or sign
refers to the same type of experience to make the connection, so that
both know that they are agreeing on what they would experience when a
given sign or symbol is used to express it - as communication is the
transmission of a given truth into another mind, which can only be done
if there is such an agreed-upon protocol - all language is based upon
that.





With experiences of higher levels of being, most often this cannot be
communicated because there is no common frame of reference with the
mystic's experience and the experience of others - such experiences are
said to be "ineffable." - in fact, it is a principle of mystical
theology that the higher the thing experienced, the less that it is
capable of being communicated - one saint expressed the concern that if
she tried to communicate what she received in way of the things of God,
they would be blasphemies, because anything that could be said about
them would be completely false in relation to what was perceived.


























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08-12-2012, 03:42 PM
RE: Ranting corner
Um, there is a blind physicist I met once. Chatted to. Nice guy. Knew lots about light. Dunno if he'd always been blind though. Point is, light and it's properties can be described to the point where the blind guy knows as much about it as me. Now if you want me to explain the *feeling* of what I *see* when I see colour, that I can't do. But he can understand that I *can* detect those variations much easier and faster than he can by using my eyes (he'd have to build some kind of instrument).
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08-12-2012, 04:18 PM
RE: Ranting corner
(08-12-2012 03:42 PM)morondog Wrote:  Um, there is a blind physicist I met once. Chatted to. Nice guy. Knew lots about light. Dunno if he'd always been blind though. Point is, light and it's properties can be described to the point where the blind guy knows as much about it as me. Now if you want me to explain the *feeling* of what I *see* when I see colour, that I can't do. But he can understand that I *can* detect those variations much easier and faster than he can by using my eyes (he'd have to build some kind of instrument).
It's all about qualia, dog.

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08-12-2012, 04:51 PM
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I have nothing to rant about and it pisses me off!


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And without so much as a mere touch, cut me into little pieces

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