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14-01-2017, 08:38 PM
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Rogue one was indeed a most pleasant surprise.
I was so relieved that everyone dies...
And it all became so bittersweet when our dear Princess (Donuthead) Leia got the last line.
I actually got misty-eyed. Shy

It was so good, I popped off to the rental place & picked up A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back. Thumbsup

I suppose this is my version of the grieving process for our dear Princess Donuthead. She was strong, tenacious - a real fighter ... and I first saw her when I was an impressionable 14 year old.
It's good to know ... she's still got that inspirational moxie. Wink

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14-01-2017, 11:09 PM
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Seconding that RS needs to see Children of Dune, it was amazing!

Also on Moms saying she doesn't get people who bring screaming kids to movies, and Onlinebiker mentioning it as well...you two never went to see Passion of the Christ. x.x So. Many. Screaming. Children.

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I Am Not Ashamed...the Pureflix movie about Columbine and Rachel Scott. Watching this because I have an ex who absolutely loves Rachel Scott and prays to her as a Saint...I wish I had alcohol and haven't even hit play yet. Because it's Pureflix, and I know they're going to ruin this woman's story. Live thoughts below:

Holy crap this is nearly two hours long...let's see, Pureflix logo, start off with morose diary entry reading of something Rachel wrote. Then a jarring cut to news footage about the massacre, including security video. This is...jarring. Know I already used the word, but as someone who vividly remembers coming home to this news footage when I was in middle school, had to pause already, because I started to breathe a bit fast. Didn't think all that hiding under desks and such in shooting drills after Columbine had stayed with me that much. But I was wrong.

Cutesy flashack scene with Rachel drawing her hand on the back of her dresser, I'm relatively sure this will come back later in the film, but may be basing this on the fact I know Rachel's story. Oh look, there's a completely non-dramatic divorce scene where the dad quietly leaves in the middle of the night with a suitcase in a pickup truck. No yelling or screaming or anything.

Woo, tons of kids in that house, and praying for what they need each morning. Tearful mom praying for gas money, daughters praying for stuffed animals, cute clothes, and car insurance for the older sister Bethany.

The people who made this movie know nothing about how to do a cut. We just went from Rachel as a little girl trying on hats, to Rachel as a Sophomore in high school fiddling with her hat and looking at a list of who made the play. Seriously, another jarring cut that makes me wish for something on the level of...God's Not Dead. We're at the 6:15 mark on an hour and fifty minute film and I want to take a shot, and I just said I wished the filmmaking was as good as Pureflix did with God's Not Dead.

Oh she didn't get the lead. "It just proves no one notices me, they just treat me like I'm 14." Well, they got high school drama club attitude down correctly. We are now 7 minutes in and I have paused until my pizza gets here, in hopes that if I stuff my mouth, the time will slide by faster and I'll be less tempted to pause and type my thoughts.

"I just want a real boyfriend, guys will never notice me". Oh there she goes sneaking out of the house. "All the world's a stage...", you all...do...realize..the Shakespearean context of that line right? The very violent context of that line?

Oh there she denies her faith! "Are you buzzing?" "You smell like smoke" "I prayed over pillows!" Rachel's mom is coming off as a bitch. "You're better than this Rachel Joy!"

Now she's been sent to a relative's farm for the summer. Long skirt wearing cousin is lecturing her about letting God in. We're starting a looking-sad-montage and lecture on how God uses even bad things. Movie...screw you. Do NOT use Plumb's "I Can't Do This" in your cheesy scene here. I LIKE that song. No no no no...oh there she is in a country church with contemporary acoustic guitar guy and people waving their hands in the air in praise when she clutches her chest and begins walking towards the front. This whole thing...exiled to the middle of nowhere, constant lectures about needing faith, subjecting her to this weekly contemporary worship service while continuing to lecture her about the importance of faith...is seriously making me think of Richard Dawkins. Like the monologue in chapter two of the God Delusion, about how there is no such thing as a Christian child...etc. and how it's wrong to emotionally abuse children into faith. And exiling someone into the country for a summer and subjecting them to nonstop lectures and such seems to count as that Sad And there she gives her life to Christ and has gone from all depressed to joyous.

Oh, there she gets the journal. Writing in journal about wanting to always trust in Jesus during a series of really horribly done and jarring transition cuts. And August 1998, first day of school back from summer...we know because a poorly selected font tells us so. And she's wearing the same purple shirt that she does on the cover of the book Rachel's Tears.
Oh "dork bowling" with a heavily musclebound actor pretending to be a teen, whom I'm sure is one of the shooters after "I'll kill you" when he storms off.

Completely gratuitous scene where we're blaming the shooting on evolution, or that's what I'm thinking here. History teacher is lecturing on how Hitler believed Nazis needed to aid evolution by exterminating those who were less evolved or handicapped. (No, I think you're confusing evolution for eugenics...) And look, kid picked on, is now leaning forward super interested. Meanwhile non-smoking Rachel is asking token smoking Asian kid, "do you ever feel like you can't see your future, that this is your last year?" I'm not getting a good feeling about this friend they're portraying as slutty...

Now Rachel's whining at stepdad to learn to drive, meanwhile one of her brothers just totally pulled the 'you're not my real dad' type whining. Meanwhile bio-dad is being portrayed as not wanting to spend time with his kids and work instead of taking them for his weekend. Now we're meeting her thief and I think homeless? friend. As she follows him into a homeless encampment, she realizes her own life isn't as bad. Now she's stalking him as he tries to shoplift, and she's paying for the stuff.

"I will be so glad when you get over this Jesus Freak stage" says a friend. Shooters meanwhile are waxing on about how unworthy everyone is of this planet and crap.

...I'm feeling like this film is hitting all of my anti-Evangelical buttons. Oh and now the shooters are playing FPS games going, "if only this were Columbine." "Maybe it could be." "You're just saying that." "You're the one who brought it up." "I wasn't serious." The two look at each other and smile before we hard cut to a "cell meeting" at Rachel's church. Jarring. Cuts. And the Cell Meeting is, other than homeless friend, first world white people upper class problems personified. When he finally talks about his heroin addict mom, imprisoned dad, living in an alley, "are you okay?" is what one person asks. After he walks out, he and Rachel are talking and one guy comes out to offer him a place on his couch in the basement. Now back to Rachel hanging out with the smoking kids, but totally not smoking herself.

All the world's a stage again. Male character points out it's about death, she says it's really about life. In the words of God Awful Movies...jingly...fucking...keys... Now a series of short scenes showing how awesome she is to everyone. Quick cut back to shooters, "I hate this school, we're gonna kick natural selection up a few notches". Then hard cut back away from them to a cell meeting with Communion, then a cut to her homeless friend now getting a job. Now she's getting a car for her birthday and takes it to a keg party. Back and forth of journals with her homeless friend, about feeling numb and distant from God, how her passion has sunk to a new low, and how she feels stuck despite asking God for a new desire for Him...while her friend keeps writing back with attempts to help her. This is actually a rather nice thing on how difficult depression can be.

Uh oh, stepdad and mom found an empty bottle of booze in her car. "It wasn't mine" "It's not legal to drive around minors who are drinking" "maybe you should quit the play". her keys get taken away, and she totally doesn't go to the parties to drink and stuff. Homeless friend gives her his grandfather's dog tags, because the two of them are the people who have rescued him. How am I only halfway through this film's runtime? "Selene, I worry about you with boys..." again, feeling bad about this character's future.

Oh potential boyfriend from play is cheating on her with her best friend. Best friend is all, "I told you this Jesus thing wouldn't be cool with him" and he's all "Wait, are you, like, a serious Christian?" Hard, jarring, cut, to the shooters practicing in trench coats in the woods with bowling pins and a shotguns. Now she's out where everyone smokes and one of the shooters is smoking there making strawman atheist arguments about how he can't see why a hypocrite like her believes in God.

Super dark montage of previous bad parts of movie intruding on her as she discusses her depression with herself as she walks the edge of a building and contemplates suicide and mentally tells God it wouldn't be suicide, that it would be Him making a homicide if she jumped. She ends up going back to now not homeless friend and her cell group meeting, and they pray over her in the most annoyingly Protestant manner ever with repeating "Lord"s and "God"s. And she muses how she'll sacrifice everything for Jesus now. Also, we've not seen the kid with Downs again since the one time. I feel like he was used as a prop to make her look good in this movie.

Hard jarring cut back to shooters as they plan, "It's gonna be like Oklahoma City, the LA Riots, and World War Two all in one." "Yeah, like a video game..." Okay movie, we get it, you blame the shooting on Charles Darwin and Video Games.

Prom time. Everyone seems to be having fun, nice to have a moment of normalcy in this movie. "All the world's a stage" again. Friend I keep worrying about is all breaking down about how she can't handle life. Rachel's now saying she can't see her future, going to college, getting married, any of it. Oh there's Downs kid, making a comeback just to show how awesome she is by giving him a pity date and now the jocks are treating him nicely because Rachel's causing a chain reaction of compassion.

Hard jarring cut to shooters, talking about how they'll be heroes and "Heil Hitler" and mocking the camera about people who will say "if only we reached them sooner". My stomach dropped as she opened the window, and the radio said "Good morning, it's sunny April the 20th, 1999". and "on this day, 110 years ago, Adolf Hitler was born."

She's drawing the famous 'tears' drawing in drama, the shooters are setting up the bombs that thankfully never went off, and I'm pausing for a bit. During my undergrad, I met one of the cops who went into Columbine after the shooting, when they were clearing the school. He said that he had a perfect night's sleep that evening...and then spent the next few weeks with nightmares of what he saw.

She's talking to her friend Dave about his parents going through a divorce, how it's still hard on her, 10 years after her parents' divorced. Shooters are remarking in yet another jarring cut about how the bombs should've gone off already and time to go to Plan B. Cut back to her talking to her friend, saying God doesn't waste anything, not even the bad stuff, as the blurry forms of the shooters start walking up behind her in the distance. Her friend looks up as the shooters open fire, "is this some sort of prank?"

They're both shot and as she crawls towards her friend, one shooter goes, "Well Rachel, where's your God now?" The other mocks, "What would Jesus do?" First one pulls her up by her hair, "Do you still believe in God?" he demands, as she gasps and cries through the pain. (Really, I've yet to remark on this, but the woman who plays Rachel is the only decent actor in this film.) "You know I do," she replies, preternatural calm seeming to settle across her face. The shooter replies, "then go be with him." She closes her eyes as the barrel of the gun is placed against her temple, and the screen cuts to black as the gunshot rings out.

Sirens can be heard, and we once more move to footage from the news. After President Bill Clinton tells the people of Littleton, that the prayers of the nation are with them, we cut again in a hard cut, to Rachel's car sitting alone in the parking lot. Her surviving, uninjured friends, crying and laying flowers on it. Followed by all those whose lives she touched in the course of the high school years, the actors and actresses speaking the words of those people they're portraying, when they remembered Rachel. Oh hey, I just realized sort of 'slutty' friend with the bad home life, who said she wanted to talk at prom, has been Snapping, as she lays a rubber band at the car. It's like cutting, but with a rubber band.

Now, no longer homeless friend is speaking at her funeral. (Yes, there is over 12 minutes of runtime after she's killed.) Close up on the casket, which is white and people have written messages on in marker. Her mom got the backpack back, goes to hang the dog ties in her room and drops them behind the chester drawers...moves it, and there's the hand that was drawn all those years ago. (Called it.) She brushes her hands over it, and then inside the hand is written, "These hands belong to Rachel Joy Scott and will someday touch millions of people's hearts." and the quote is read in parts by the girl who played young Rachel and the woman who played teen Rachel.

Black background, white text, "over 22 million people's hearts have been touched by Rachel's story in live event presentations. Her family continues to receive thousands of messages about how Rachel's love for Jesus inspires them today."

"If you want to impact your world like Rachel, text CHANGE to [phone number]."

"Rachel's last journal entry, dedicated in loving memory to the 13 victims" followed by the image of the 'tears' drawing, and each tear begins to be labeled with the name of a victim, including Rachel's. Roll credits, photo of real life Rachel to the side. Christian music plays through credits about not being ashamed. One last post credits reminder to send that text.

Overall Shai Hulud Rating: If this had cut out the parts with the shooters, gotten someone as an edtitor who knew what editing a movie is supposed to be like, and such...then this might have been a passable film. It still would have been full of cringe and uncomfortable scenes, but passable. Really, cutting out the shooters, as New Catholic Generation pointed out in their review, would make this at least somewhat better. 0 out of 5.

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14-01-2017, 11:12 PM
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(14-01-2017 11:09 PM)Shai Hulud Wrote:  Also on Moms saying she doesn't get people who bring screaming kids to movies, and Onlinebiker mentioning it as well...you two never went to see Passion of the Christ. x.x So. Many. Screaming. Children.

My dad thought that 3 hour long torture porn was a good family movie, and had me and my brother sit through it. When it was done, he looked at us and started talking in a way that clearly indicated he was expecting us to have a 'religious experience'.

I don't think I have ever been more angry at him.

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14-01-2017, 11:20 PM
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(14-01-2017 11:12 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(14-01-2017 11:09 PM)Shai Hulud Wrote:  Also on Moms saying she doesn't get people who bring screaming kids to movies, and Onlinebiker mentioning it as well...you two never went to see Passion of the Christ. x.x So. Many. Screaming. Children.

My dad thought that 3 hour long torture porn was a good family movie, and had me and my brother sit through it. When it was done, he looked at us and started talking in a way that clearly indicated he was expecting us to have a 'religious experience'.

I don't think I have ever been more angry at him.

Sorry that happened. Sad And that sounds roughly like the reasoning of many Baptists I know who dragged their kids to see the film. And the reason my church took our entire youth group.

Don't care if someone has a religious experience or not; it's rated R for a reason, and kids shouldn't be exposed to Jesus uber torture that left Jim Cavizel literally scarred for life.

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14-01-2017, 11:32 PM
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(14-01-2017 11:20 PM)Shai Hulud Wrote:  
(14-01-2017 11:12 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  My dad thought that 3 hour long torture porn was a good family movie, and had me and my brother sit through it. When it was done, he looked at us and started talking in a way that clearly indicated he was expecting us to have a 'religious experience'.

I don't think I have ever been more angry at him.

Sorry that happened. Sad And that sounds roughly like the reasoning of many Baptists I know who dragged their kids to see the film. And the reason my church took our entire youth group.

Don't care if someone has a religious experience or not; it's rated R for a reason, and kids shouldn't be exposed to Jesus uber torture that left Jim Cavizel literally scarred for life.

On the plus side, it did make me appreciate the God Awful Movies episode about it all the more.

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15-01-2017, 09:10 AM
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(14-01-2017 11:09 PM)Shai Hulud Wrote:  Seconding that RS needs to see Children of Dune, it was amazing!

Also on Moms saying she doesn't get people who bring screaming kids to movies, and Onlinebiker mentioning it as well...you two never went to see Passion of the Christ. x.x So. Many. Screaming. Children.

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I Am Not Ashamed...the Pureflix movie about Columbine and Rachel Scott. Watching this because I have an ex who absolutely loves Rachel Scott and prays to her as a Saint...I wish I had alcohol and haven't even hit play yet. Because it's Pureflix, and I know they're going to ruin this woman's story. Live thoughts below:

Holy crap this is nearly two hours long...let's see, Pureflix logo, start off with morose diary entry reading of something Rachel wrote. Then a jarring cut to news footage about the massacre, including security video. This is...jarring. Know I already used the word, but as someone who vividly remembers coming home to this news footage when I was in middle school, had to pause already, because I started to breathe a bit fast. Didn't think all that hiding under desks and such in shooting drills after Columbine had stayed with me that much. But I was wrong.

Cutesy flashack scene with Rachel drawing her hand on the back of her dresser, I'm relatively sure this will come back later in the film, but may be basing this on the fact I know Rachel's story. Oh look, there's a completely non-dramatic divorce scene where the dad quietly leaves in the middle of the night with a suitcase in a pickup truck. No yelling or screaming or anything.

Woo, tons of kids in that house, and praying for what they need each morning. Tearful mom praying for gas money, daughters praying for stuffed animals, cute clothes, and car insurance for the older sister Bethany.

The people who made this movie know nothing about how to do a cut. We just went from Rachel as a little girl trying on hats, to Rachel as a Sophomore in high school fiddling with her hat and looking at a list of who made the play. Seriously, another jarring cut that makes me wish for something on the level of...God's Not Dead. We're at the 6:15 mark on an hour and fifty minute film and I want to take a shot, and I just said I wished the filmmaking was as good as Pureflix did with God's Not Dead.

Oh she didn't get the lead. "It just proves no one notices me, they just treat me like I'm 14." Well, they got high school drama club attitude down correctly. We are now 7 minutes in and I have paused until my pizza gets here, in hopes that if I stuff my mouth, the time will slide by faster and I'll be less tempted to pause and type my thoughts.

"I just want a real boyfriend, guys will never notice me". Oh there she goes sneaking out of the house. "All the world's a stage...", you all...do...realize..the Shakespearean context of that line right? The very violent context of that line?

Oh there she denies her faith! "Are you buzzing?" "You smell like smoke" "I prayed over pillows!" Rachel's mom is coming off as a bitch. "You're better than this Rachel Joy!"

Now she's been sent to a relative's farm for the summer. Long skirt wearing cousin is lecturing her about letting God in. We're starting a looking-sad-montage and lecture on how God uses even bad things. Movie...screw you. Do NOT use Plumb's "I Can't Do This" in your cheesy scene here. I LIKE that song. No no no no...oh there she is in a country church with contemporary acoustic guitar guy and people waving their hands in the air in praise when she clutches her chest and begins walking towards the front. This whole thing...exiled to the middle of nowhere, constant lectures about needing faith, subjecting her to this weekly contemporary worship service while continuing to lecture her about the importance of faith...is seriously making me think of Richard Dawkins. Like the monologue in chapter two of the God Delusion, about how there is no such thing as a Christian child...etc. and how it's wrong to emotionally abuse children into faith. And exiling someone into the country for a summer and subjecting them to nonstop lectures and such seems to count as that Sad And there she gives her life to Christ and has gone from all depressed to joyous.

Oh, there she gets the journal. Writing in journal about wanting to always trust in Jesus during a series of really horribly done and jarring transition cuts. And August 1998, first day of school back from summer...we know because a poorly selected font tells us so. And she's wearing the same purple shirt that she does on the cover of the book Rachel's Tears.
Oh "dork bowling" with a heavily musclebound actor pretending to be a teen, whom I'm sure is one of the shooters after "I'll kill you" when he storms off.

Completely gratuitous scene where we're blaming the shooting on evolution, or that's what I'm thinking here. History teacher is lecturing on how Hitler believed Nazis needed to aid evolution by exterminating those who were less evolved or handicapped. (No, I think you're confusing evolution for eugenics...) And look, kid picked on, is now leaning forward super interested. Meanwhile non-smoking Rachel is asking token smoking Asian kid, "do you ever feel like you can't see your future, that this is your last year?" I'm not getting a good feeling about this friend they're portraying as slutty...

Now Rachel's whining at stepdad to learn to drive, meanwhile one of her brothers just totally pulled the 'you're not my real dad' type whining. Meanwhile bio-dad is being portrayed as not wanting to spend time with his kids and work instead of taking them for his weekend. Now we're meeting her thief and I think homeless? friend. As she follows him into a homeless encampment, she realizes her own life isn't as bad. Now she's stalking him as he tries to shoplift, and she's paying for the stuff.

"I will be so glad when you get over this Jesus Freak stage" says a friend. Shooters meanwhile are waxing on about how unworthy everyone is of this planet and crap.

...I'm feeling like this film is hitting all of my anti-Evangelical buttons. Oh and now the shooters are playing FPS games going, "if only this were Columbine." "Maybe it could be." "You're just saying that." "You're the one who brought it up." "I wasn't serious." The two look at each other and smile before we hard cut to a "cell meeting" at Rachel's church. Jarring. Cuts. And the Cell Meeting is, other than homeless friend, first world white people upper class problems personified. When he finally talks about his heroin addict mom, imprisoned dad, living in an alley, "are you okay?" is what one person asks. After he walks out, he and Rachel are talking and one guy comes out to offer him a place on his couch in the basement. Now back to Rachel hanging out with the smoking kids, but totally not smoking herself.

All the world's a stage again. Male character points out it's about death, she says it's really about life. In the words of God Awful Movies...jingly...fucking...keys... Now a series of short scenes showing how awesome she is to everyone. Quick cut back to shooters, "I hate this school, we're gonna kick natural selection up a few notches". Then hard cut back away from them to a cell meeting with Communion, then a cut to her homeless friend now getting a job. Now she's getting a car for her birthday and takes it to a keg party. Back and forth of journals with her homeless friend, about feeling numb and distant from God, how her passion has sunk to a new low, and how she feels stuck despite asking God for a new desire for Him...while her friend keeps writing back with attempts to help her. This is actually a rather nice thing on how difficult depression can be.

Uh oh, stepdad and mom found an empty bottle of booze in her car. "It wasn't mine" "It's not legal to drive around minors who are drinking" "maybe you should quit the play". her keys get taken away, and she totally doesn't go to the parties to drink and stuff. Homeless friend gives her his grandfather's dog tags, because the two of them are the people who have rescued him. How am I only halfway through this film's runtime? "Selene, I worry about you with boys..." again, feeling bad about this character's future.

Oh potential boyfriend from play is cheating on her with her best friend. Best friend is all, "I told you this Jesus thing wouldn't be cool with him" and he's all "Wait, are you, like, a serious Christian?" Hard, jarring, cut, to the shooters practicing in trench coats in the woods with bowling pins and a shotguns. Now she's out where everyone smokes and one of the shooters is smoking there making strawman atheist arguments about how he can't see why a hypocrite like her believes in God.

Super dark montage of previous bad parts of movie intruding on her as she discusses her depression with herself as she walks the edge of a building and contemplates suicide and mentally tells God it wouldn't be suicide, that it would be Him making a homicide if she jumped. She ends up going back to now not homeless friend and her cell group meeting, and they pray over her in the most annoyingly Protestant manner ever with repeating "Lord"s and "God"s. And she muses how she'll sacrifice everything for Jesus now. Also, we've not seen the kid with Downs again since the one time. I feel like he was used as a prop to make her look good in this movie.

Hard jarring cut back to shooters as they plan, "It's gonna be like Oklahoma City, the LA Riots, and World War Two all in one." "Yeah, like a video game..." Okay movie, we get it, you blame the shooting on Charles Darwin and Video Games.

Prom time. Everyone seems to be having fun, nice to have a moment of normalcy in this movie. "All the world's a stage" again. Friend I keep worrying about is all breaking down about how she can't handle life. Rachel's now saying she can't see her future, going to college, getting married, any of it. Oh there's Downs kid, making a comeback just to show how awesome she is by giving him a pity date and now the jocks are treating him nicely because Rachel's causing a chain reaction of compassion.

Hard jarring cut to shooters, talking about how they'll be heroes and "Heil Hitler" and mocking the camera about people who will say "if only we reached them sooner". My stomach dropped as she opened the window, and the radio said "Good morning, it's sunny April the 20th, 1999". and "on this day, 110 years ago, Adolf Hitler was born."

She's drawing the famous 'tears' drawing in drama, the shooters are setting up the bombs that thankfully never went off, and I'm pausing for a bit. During my undergrad, I met one of the cops who went into Columbine after the shooting, when they were clearing the school. He said that he had a perfect night's sleep that evening...and then spent the next few weeks with nightmares of what he saw.

She's talking to her friend Dave about his parents going through a divorce, how it's still hard on her, 10 years after her parents' divorced. Shooters are remarking in yet another jarring cut about how the bombs should've gone off already and time to go to Plan B. Cut back to her talking to her friend, saying God doesn't waste anything, not even the bad stuff, as the blurry forms of the shooters start walking up behind her in the distance. Her friend looks up as the shooters open fire, "is this some sort of prank?"

They're both shot and as she crawls towards her friend, one shooter goes, "Well Rachel, where's your God now?" The other mocks, "What would Jesus do?" First one pulls her up by her hair, "Do you still believe in God?" he demands, as she gasps and cries through the pain. (Really, I've yet to remark on this, but the woman who plays Rachel is the only decent actor in this film.) "You know I do," she replies, preternatural calm seeming to settle across her face. The shooter replies, "then go be with him." She closes her eyes as the barrel of the gun is placed against her temple, and the screen cuts to black as the gunshot rings out.

Sirens can be heard, and we once more move to footage from the news. After President Bill Clinton tells the people of Littleton, that the prayers of the nation are with them, we cut again in a hard cut, to Rachel's car sitting alone in the parking lot. Her surviving, uninjured friends, crying and laying flowers on it. Followed by all those whose lives she touched in the course of the high school years, the actors and actresses speaking the words of those people they're portraying, when they remembered Rachel. Oh hey, I just realized sort of 'slutty' friend with the bad home life, who said she wanted to talk at prom, has been Snapping, as she lays a rubber band at the car. It's like cutting, but with a rubber band.

Now, no longer homeless friend is speaking at her funeral. (Yes, there is over 12 minutes of runtime after she's killed.) Close up on the casket, which is white and people have written messages on in marker. Her mom got the backpack back, goes to hang the dog ties in her room and drops them behind the chester drawers...moves it, and there's the hand that was drawn all those years ago. (Called it.) She brushes her hands over it, and then inside the hand is written, "These hands belong to Rachel Joy Scott and will someday touch millions of people's hearts." and the quote is read in parts by the girl who played young Rachel and the woman who played teen Rachel.

Black background, white text, "over 22 million people's hearts have been touched by Rachel's story in live event presentations. Her family continues to receive thousands of messages about how Rachel's love for Jesus inspires them today."

"If you want to impact your world like Rachel, text CHANGE to [phone number]."

"Rachel's last journal entry, dedicated in loving memory to the 13 victims" followed by the image of the 'tears' drawing, and each tear begins to be labeled with the name of a victim, including Rachel's. Roll credits, photo of real life Rachel to the side. Christian music plays through credits about not being ashamed. One last post credits reminder to send that text.

Overall Shai Hulud Rating: If this had cut out the parts with the shooters, gotten someone as an edtitor who knew what editing a movie is supposed to be like, and such...then this might have been a passable film. It still would have been full of cringe and uncomfortable scenes, but passable. Really, cutting out the shooters, as New Catholic Generation pointed out in their review, would make this at least somewhat better. 0 out of 5.

If I remember correctly, there was quite a dispute whether she said that or if it was someone else. I also remember when this story came out and of course they made her out to be some martyr. The thing about martyrs is that they kind of need to die for their beliefs. If they were going to be killed anyway regardless of an answer, they aren't martyrs. As far as I am aware, they didn't ask anyone else a god question and if they were going to kill her anyway, her answer was irrelevant.

What a disgusting thing to capitalize on the deaths of children. I wonder when Pureflix is going to make a Sandy Hook movie.

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15-01-2017, 10:22 AM
RE: Rate the Last Film You've Seen
Fuck. That. Movie. I had a nightmare of a shooting at an event and pretending to be dead to not be killed. And then of shell shocked going to Seth Andrews estate sale, because he sure got shot in the dream. (Subconscious says: Don't watch child murder exploitation movie while browsing TTA I guess.)

(14-01-2017 11:32 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(14-01-2017 11:20 PM)Shai Hulud Wrote:  Sorry that happened. Sad And that sounds roughly like the reasoning of many Baptists I know who dragged their kids to see the film. And the reason my church took our entire youth group.

Don't care if someone has a religious experience or not; it's rated R for a reason, and kids shouldn't be exposed to Jesus uber torture that left Jim Cavizel literally scarred for life.

On the plus side, it did make me appreciate the God Awful Movies episode about it all the more.

http://godawfulmovies.libsyn.com/gam053-...hrist-live

[Image: gam-logo-square-full-1.jpg]

I admit to watching the GAM episode only recently on it, and was like, "Wow...they make this less...disturbing." Wonder how many people only watched it due to GAM, who weren't taken to the movie when younger like you were?

(15-01-2017 09:10 AM)The Organic Chemist Wrote:  
(14-01-2017 11:09 PM)Shai Hulud Wrote:  Seconding that RS needs to see Children of Dune, it was amazing!

Also on Moms saying she doesn't get people who bring screaming kids to movies, and Onlinebiker mentioning it as well...you two never went to see Passion of the Christ. x.x So. Many. Screaming. Children.

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I Am Not Ashamed...the Pureflix movie about Columbine and Rachel Scott. Watching this because I have an ex who absolutely loves Rachel Scott and prays to her as a Saint...I wish I had alcohol and haven't even hit play yet. Because it's Pureflix, and I know they're going to ruin this woman's story. Live thoughts below:

Holy crap this is nearly two hours long...let's see, Pureflix logo, start off with morose diary entry reading of something Rachel wrote. Then a jarring cut to news footage about the massacre, including security video. This is...jarring. Know I already used the word, but as someone who vividly remembers coming home to this news footage when I was in middle school, had to pause already, because I started to breathe a bit fast. Didn't think all that hiding under desks and such in shooting drills after Columbine had stayed with me that much. But I was wrong.

Cutesy flashack scene with Rachel drawing her hand on the back of her dresser, I'm relatively sure this will come back later in the film, but may be basing this on the fact I know Rachel's story. Oh look, there's a completely non-dramatic divorce scene where the dad quietly leaves in the middle of the night with a suitcase in a pickup truck. No yelling or screaming or anything.

Woo, tons of kids in that house, and praying for what they need each morning. Tearful mom praying for gas money, daughters praying for stuffed animals, cute clothes, and car insurance for the older sister Bethany.

The people who made this movie know nothing about how to do a cut. We just went from Rachel as a little girl trying on hats, to Rachel as a Sophomore in high school fiddling with her hat and looking at a list of who made the play. Seriously, another jarring cut that makes me wish for something on the level of...God's Not Dead. We're at the 6:15 mark on an hour and fifty minute film and I want to take a shot, and I just said I wished the filmmaking was as good as Pureflix did with God's Not Dead.

Oh she didn't get the lead. "It just proves no one notices me, they just treat me like I'm 14." Well, they got high school drama club attitude down correctly. We are now 7 minutes in and I have paused until my pizza gets here, in hopes that if I stuff my mouth, the time will slide by faster and I'll be less tempted to pause and type my thoughts.

"I just want a real boyfriend, guys will never notice me". Oh there she goes sneaking out of the house. "All the world's a stage...", you all...do...realize..the Shakespearean context of that line right? The very violent context of that line?

Oh there she denies her faith! "Are you buzzing?" "You smell like smoke" "I prayed over pillows!" Rachel's mom is coming off as a bitch. "You're better than this Rachel Joy!"

Now she's been sent to a relative's farm for the summer. Long skirt wearing cousin is lecturing her about letting God in. We're starting a looking-sad-montage and lecture on how God uses even bad things. Movie...screw you. Do NOT use Plumb's "I Can't Do This" in your cheesy scene here. I LIKE that song. No no no no...oh there she is in a country church with contemporary acoustic guitar guy and people waving their hands in the air in praise when she clutches her chest and begins walking towards the front. This whole thing...exiled to the middle of nowhere, constant lectures about needing faith, subjecting her to this weekly contemporary worship service while continuing to lecture her about the importance of faith...is seriously making me think of Richard Dawkins. Like the monologue in chapter two of the God Delusion, about how there is no such thing as a Christian child...etc. and how it's wrong to emotionally abuse children into faith. And exiling someone into the country for a summer and subjecting them to nonstop lectures and such seems to count as that Sad And there she gives her life to Christ and has gone from all depressed to joyous.

Oh, there she gets the journal. Writing in journal about wanting to always trust in Jesus during a series of really horribly done and jarring transition cuts. And August 1998, first day of school back from summer...we know because a poorly selected font tells us so. And she's wearing the same purple shirt that she does on the cover of the book Rachel's Tears.
Oh "dork bowling" with a heavily musclebound actor pretending to be a teen, whom I'm sure is one of the shooters after "I'll kill you" when he storms off.

Completely gratuitous scene where we're blaming the shooting on evolution, or that's what I'm thinking here. History teacher is lecturing on how Hitler believed Nazis needed to aid evolution by exterminating those who were less evolved or handicapped. (No, I think you're confusing evolution for eugenics...) And look, kid picked on, is now leaning forward super interested. Meanwhile non-smoking Rachel is asking token smoking Asian kid, "do you ever feel like you can't see your future, that this is your last year?" I'm not getting a good feeling about this friend they're portraying as slutty...

Now Rachel's whining at stepdad to learn to drive, meanwhile one of her brothers just totally pulled the 'you're not my real dad' type whining. Meanwhile bio-dad is being portrayed as not wanting to spend time with his kids and work instead of taking them for his weekend. Now we're meeting her thief and I think homeless? friend. As she follows him into a homeless encampment, she realizes her own life isn't as bad. Now she's stalking him as he tries to shoplift, and she's paying for the stuff.

"I will be so glad when you get over this Jesus Freak stage" says a friend. Shooters meanwhile are waxing on about how unworthy everyone is of this planet and crap.

...I'm feeling like this film is hitting all of my anti-Evangelical buttons. Oh and now the shooters are playing FPS games going, "if only this were Columbine." "Maybe it could be." "You're just saying that." "You're the one who brought it up." "I wasn't serious." The two look at each other and smile before we hard cut to a "cell meeting" at Rachel's church. Jarring. Cuts. And the Cell Meeting is, other than homeless friend, first world white people upper class problems personified. When he finally talks about his heroin addict mom, imprisoned dad, living in an alley, "are you okay?" is what one person asks. After he walks out, he and Rachel are talking and one guy comes out to offer him a place on his couch in the basement. Now back to Rachel hanging out with the smoking kids, but totally not smoking herself.

All the world's a stage again. Male character points out it's about death, she says it's really about life. In the words of God Awful Movies...jingly...fucking...keys... Now a series of short scenes showing how awesome she is to everyone. Quick cut back to shooters, "I hate this school, we're gonna kick natural selection up a few notches". Then hard cut back away from them to a cell meeting with Communion, then a cut to her homeless friend now getting a job. Now she's getting a car for her birthday and takes it to a keg party. Back and forth of journals with her homeless friend, about feeling numb and distant from God, how her passion has sunk to a new low, and how she feels stuck despite asking God for a new desire for Him...while her friend keeps writing back with attempts to help her. This is actually a rather nice thing on how difficult depression can be.

Uh oh, stepdad and mom found an empty bottle of booze in her car. "It wasn't mine" "It's not legal to drive around minors who are drinking" "maybe you should quit the play". her keys get taken away, and she totally doesn't go to the parties to drink and stuff. Homeless friend gives her his grandfather's dog tags, because the two of them are the people who have rescued him. How am I only halfway through this film's runtime? "Selene, I worry about you with boys..." again, feeling bad about this character's future.

Oh potential boyfriend from play is cheating on her with her best friend. Best friend is all, "I told you this Jesus thing wouldn't be cool with him" and he's all "Wait, are you, like, a serious Christian?" Hard, jarring, cut, to the shooters practicing in trench coats in the woods with bowling pins and a shotguns. Now she's out where everyone smokes and one of the shooters is smoking there making strawman atheist arguments about how he can't see why a hypocrite like her believes in God.

Super dark montage of previous bad parts of movie intruding on her as she discusses her depression with herself as she walks the edge of a building and contemplates suicide and mentally tells God it wouldn't be suicide, that it would be Him making a homicide if she jumped. She ends up going back to now not homeless friend and her cell group meeting, and they pray over her in the most annoyingly Protestant manner ever with repeating "Lord"s and "God"s. And she muses how she'll sacrifice everything for Jesus now. Also, we've not seen the kid with Downs again since the one time. I feel like he was used as a prop to make her look good in this movie.

Hard jarring cut back to shooters as they plan, "It's gonna be like Oklahoma City, the LA Riots, and World War Two all in one." "Yeah, like a video game..." Okay movie, we get it, you blame the shooting on Charles Darwin and Video Games.

Prom time. Everyone seems to be having fun, nice to have a moment of normalcy in this movie. "All the world's a stage" again. Friend I keep worrying about is all breaking down about how she can't handle life. Rachel's now saying she can't see her future, going to college, getting married, any of it. Oh there's Downs kid, making a comeback just to show how awesome she is by giving him a pity date and now the jocks are treating him nicely because Rachel's causing a chain reaction of compassion.

Hard jarring cut to shooters, talking about how they'll be heroes and "Heil Hitler" and mocking the camera about people who will say "if only we reached them sooner". My stomach dropped as she opened the window, and the radio said "Good morning, it's sunny April the 20th, 1999". and "on this day, 110 years ago, Adolf Hitler was born."

She's drawing the famous 'tears' drawing in drama, the shooters are setting up the bombs that thankfully never went off, and I'm pausing for a bit. During my undergrad, I met one of the cops who went into Columbine after the shooting, when they were clearing the school. He said that he had a perfect night's sleep that evening...and then spent the next few weeks with nightmares of what he saw.

She's talking to her friend Dave about his parents going through a divorce, how it's still hard on her, 10 years after her parents' divorced. Shooters are remarking in yet another jarring cut about how the bombs should've gone off already and time to go to Plan B. Cut back to her talking to her friend, saying God doesn't waste anything, not even the bad stuff, as the blurry forms of the shooters start walking up behind her in the distance. Her friend looks up as the shooters open fire, "is this some sort of prank?"

They're both shot and as she crawls towards her friend, one shooter goes, "Well Rachel, where's your God now?" The other mocks, "What would Jesus do?" First one pulls her up by her hair, "Do you still believe in God?" he demands, as she gasps and cries through the pain. (Really, I've yet to remark on this, but the woman who plays Rachel is the only decent actor in this film.) "You know I do," she replies, preternatural calm seeming to settle across her face. The shooter replies, "then go be with him." She closes her eyes as the barrel of the gun is placed against her temple, and the screen cuts to black as the gunshot rings out.

Sirens can be heard, and we once more move to footage from the news. After President Bill Clinton tells the people of Littleton, that the prayers of the nation are with them, we cut again in a hard cut, to Rachel's car sitting alone in the parking lot. Her surviving, uninjured friends, crying and laying flowers on it. Followed by all those whose lives she touched in the course of the high school years, the actors and actresses speaking the words of those people they're portraying, when they remembered Rachel. Oh hey, I just realized sort of 'slutty' friend with the bad home life, who said she wanted to talk at prom, has been Snapping, as she lays a rubber band at the car. It's like cutting, but with a rubber band.

Now, no longer homeless friend is speaking at her funeral. (Yes, there is over 12 minutes of runtime after she's killed.) Close up on the casket, which is white and people have written messages on in marker. Her mom got the backpack back, goes to hang the dog ties in her room and drops them behind the chester drawers...moves it, and there's the hand that was drawn all those years ago. (Called it.) She brushes her hands over it, and then inside the hand is written, "These hands belong to Rachel Joy Scott and will someday touch millions of people's hearts." and the quote is read in parts by the girl who played young Rachel and the woman who played teen Rachel.

Black background, white text, "over 22 million people's hearts have been touched by Rachel's story in live event presentations. Her family continues to receive thousands of messages about how Rachel's love for Jesus inspires them today."

"If you want to impact your world like Rachel, text CHANGE to [phone number]."

"Rachel's last journal entry, dedicated in loving memory to the 13 victims" followed by the image of the 'tears' drawing, and each tear begins to be labeled with the name of a victim, including Rachel's. Roll credits, photo of real life Rachel to the side. Christian music plays through credits about not being ashamed. One last post credits reminder to send that text.

Overall Shai Hulud Rating: If this had cut out the parts with the shooters, gotten someone as an edtitor who knew what editing a movie is supposed to be like, and such...then this might have been a passable film. It still would have been full of cringe and uncomfortable scenes, but passable. Really, cutting out the shooters, as New Catholic Generation pointed out in their review, would make this at least somewhat better. 0 out of 5.

If I remember correctly, there was quite a dispute whether she said that or if it was someone else. I also remember when this story came out and of course they made her out to be some martyr. The thing about martyrs is that they kind of need to die for their beliefs. If they were going to be killed anyway regardless of an answer, they aren't martyrs. As far as I am aware, they didn't ask anyone else a god question and if they were going to kill her anyway, her answer was irrelevant.

What a disgusting thing to capitalize on the deaths of children. I wonder when Pureflix is going to make a Sandy Hook movie.

Three disputes that I know of at least. The first being that the guy who was with her has some serious recall issues due to the trauma, and has said she said it, then also says he doesn't remember if she really did. The other being that the parents of Cassie Bernall, another victim, claimed it was their daughter who did, and published a book, "She said Yes: The Unlikely Martyrdom of Cassie Bernall". One of the people next to Cassie under the table when she was shot, said that the shooter said, "peek-a-boo", and asked her nothing about her faith. Another witness in the library claims that it was Valeen Schnurr, one of the students who was shot and wounded. Schnurr, it seems, did have an exchange with one of the shooters about her belief in God, after she had been shot, and then he left her without another word once his curiosity had been satisfied, probably believing she'd die from her wounds.

Also, given it's Pureflix, I'd not be surprised to see them do that with Sandy Hook (except probably it would offend a lot of their audience, whom I'd be shocked to learn, aren't Sandy Hook Truthers). They are, after all, the company behind this, God's Not Dead 1 & 2, and Loving the Bad Man...in which a woman learns to love her rapist.

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15-01-2017, 10:41 AM
RE: Rate the Last Film You've Seen
(15-01-2017 10:22 AM)Shai Hulud Wrote:  Fuck. That. Movie. I had a nightmare of a shooting at an event and pretending to be dead to not be killed. And then of shell shocked going to Seth Andrews estate sale, because he sure got shot in the dream. (Subconscious says: Don't watch child murder exploitation movie while browsing TTA I guess.)

(14-01-2017 11:32 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  On the plus side, it did make me appreciate the God Awful Movies episode about it all the more.

http://godawfulmovies.libsyn.com/gam053-...hrist-live

[Image: gam-logo-square-full-1.jpg]

I admit to watching the GAM episode only recently on it, and was like, "Wow...they make this less...disturbing." Wonder how many people only watched it due to GAM, who weren't taken to the movie when younger like you were?

(15-01-2017 09:10 AM)The Organic Chemist Wrote:  If I remember correctly, there was quite a dispute whether she said that or if it was someone else. I also remember when this story came out and of course they made her out to be some martyr. The thing about martyrs is that they kind of need to die for their beliefs. If they were going to be killed anyway regardless of an answer, they aren't martyrs. As far as I am aware, they didn't ask anyone else a god question and if they were going to kill her anyway, her answer was irrelevant.

What a disgusting thing to capitalize on the deaths of children. I wonder when Pureflix is going to make a Sandy Hook movie.

Three disputes that I know of at least. The first being that the guy who was with her has some serious recall issues due to the trauma, and has said she said it, then also says he doesn't remember if she really did. The other being that the parents of Cassie Bernall, another victim, claimed it was their daughter who did, and published a book, "She said Yes: The Unlikely Martyrdom of Cassie Bernall". One of the people next to Cassie under the table when she was shot, said that the shooter said, "peek-a-boo", and asked her nothing about her faith. Another witness in the library claims that it was Valeen Schnurr, one of the students who was shot and wounded. Schnurr, it seems, did have an exchange with one of the shooters about her belief in God, after she had been shot, and then he left her without another word once his curiosity had been satisfied, probably believing she'd die from her wounds.

Also, given it's Pureflix, I'd not be surprised to see them do that with Sandy Hook (except probably it would offend a lot of their audience, whom I'd be shocked to learn, aren't Sandy Hook Truthers). They are, after all, the company behind this, God's Not Dead 1 & 2, and Loving the Bad Man...in which a woman learns to love her rapist.

Ahh loving the bad man. I tried to watch it but just couldn't finish it. However I'm in love with a church girl is a scream as is Leap

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Shit ... just knowing such filmed monstrosities even exist is depressing.

And here I thought the theater was a safe place. Dodgy

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(15-01-2017 10:41 AM)The Organic Chemist Wrote:  
(15-01-2017 10:22 AM)Shai Hulud Wrote:  Fuck. That. Movie. I had a nightmare of a shooting at an event and pretending to be dead to not be killed. And then of shell shocked going to Seth Andrews estate sale, because he sure got shot in the dream. (Subconscious says: Don't watch child murder exploitation movie while browsing TTA I guess.)


I admit to watching the GAM episode only recently on it, and was like, "Wow...they make this less...disturbing." Wonder how many people only watched it due to GAM, who weren't taken to the movie when younger like you were?


Three disputes that I know of at least. The first being that the guy who was with her has some serious recall issues due to the trauma, and has said she said it, then also says he doesn't remember if she really did. The other being that the parents of Cassie Bernall, another victim, claimed it was their daughter who did, and published a book, "She said Yes: The Unlikely Martyrdom of Cassie Bernall". One of the people next to Cassie under the table when she was shot, said that the shooter said, "peek-a-boo", and asked her nothing about her faith. Another witness in the library claims that it was Valeen Schnurr, one of the students who was shot and wounded. Schnurr, it seems, did have an exchange with one of the shooters about her belief in God, after she had been shot, and then he left her without another word once his curiosity had been satisfied, probably believing she'd die from her wounds.

Also, given it's Pureflix, I'd not be surprised to see them do that with Sandy Hook (except probably it would offend a lot of their audience, whom I'd be shocked to learn, aren't Sandy Hook Truthers). They are, after all, the company behind this, God's Not Dead 1 & 2, and Loving the Bad Man...in which a woman learns to love her rapist.

Ahh loving the bad man. I tried to watch it but just couldn't finish it. However I'm in love with a church girl is a scream as is Leap
I still need to watch all of those! First saw an advert for Loving the Bad Man at Winterjam, a Christian concert series, with about 10,000 other people in the stadium. Definitely will look for the other two; I've heard hilarious things about Leap on GAM, and I'm In Love With A Church Girl looks just...gold. (Also need to see, and help me if you know the title please, that cheesy found footage church lock-in film about a demon possessed porn magazine.)

(15-01-2017 10:57 AM)kim Wrote:  Shit ... just knowing such filmed monstrosities even exist is depressing.

And here I thought the theater was a safe place. Dodgy

Must resist urge to....Abraham Lincoln would disagree. Hobo

Yeah though. One local theater, when I lived in WV, had "A Matter of Faith" which is, to quote Eli Bosnick, "God's Not Dead about if rocks exist". The debate about evolution vs. creation in it is all about if God exists, something about Freud, and occasionally abiogenesis.

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