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15-01-2017, 11:07 AM
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(15-01-2017 10:57 AM)Shai Hulud Wrote:  
(15-01-2017 10:41 AM)The Organic Chemist Wrote:  Ahh loving the bad man. I tried to watch it but just couldn't finish it. However I'm in love with a church girl is a scream as is Leap
I still need to watch all of those! First saw an advert for Loving the Bad Man at Winterjam, a Christian concert series, with about 10,000 other people in the stadium. Definitely will look for the other two; I've heard hilarious things about Leap on GAM, and I'm In Love With A Church Girl looks just...gold. (Also need to see, and help me if you know the title please, that cheesy found footage church lock-in film about a demon possessed porn magazine.)

(15-01-2017 10:57 AM)kim Wrote:  Shit ... just knowing such filmed monstrosities even exist is depressing.

And here I thought the theater was a safe place. Dodgy

Must resist urge to....Abraham Lincoln would disagree. Hobo

Yeah though. One local theater, when I lived in WV, had "A Matter of Faith" which is, to quote Eli Bosnick, "God's Not Dead about if rocks exist". The debate about evolution vs. creation in it is all about if God exists, something about Freud, and occasionally abiogenesis.

It called "the lock-in." Haven't seen it.

Edit, the chick in matter of faith is smokin' hot though. The only reason to watch it IMO.

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15-01-2017, 11:16 AM
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Blush I can't even think of the last time I went to a movie theatre! Hmmm. No Country For Old Men? ... that may have been it. Not sure... I tend to be a cheap ass and wait for it to come out on Netflix or something. Thumbsup

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15-01-2017, 11:19 AM
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(15-01-2017 11:07 AM)The Organic Chemist Wrote:  
(15-01-2017 10:57 AM)Shai Hulud Wrote:  I still need to watch all of those! First saw an advert for Loving the Bad Man at Winterjam, a Christian concert series, with about 10,000 other people in the stadium. Definitely will look for the other two; I've heard hilarious things about Leap on GAM, and I'm In Love With A Church Girl looks just...gold. (Also need to see, and help me if you know the title please, that cheesy found footage church lock-in film about a demon possessed porn magazine.)


Must resist urge to....Abraham Lincoln would disagree. Hobo

Yeah though. One local theater, when I lived in WV, had "A Matter of Faith" which is, to quote Eli Bosnick, "God's Not Dead about if rocks exist". The debate about evolution vs. creation in it is all about if God exists, something about Freud, and occasionally abiogenesis.

It called "the lock-in." Haven't seen it.

Edit, the chick in matter of faith is smokin' hot though. The only reason to watch it IMO.

I've not either, and thanks for the name of it! When I was a Baptist, my old church had bought a former funeral home and christened it their "Life Center". We would play sardines on the third floor, with the windows taped over with layers of garbage bags, and the light switches taped down...total darkness, and super creepy. Especially when we found a homeless man in there.

And agreed on Jordan Trovillion (the 30 year old playing the Freshman) being gorgeous.

(15-01-2017 11:16 AM)ReistLaxCoach Wrote:  Blush I can't even think of the last time I went to a movie theatre! Hmmm. No Country For Old Men? ... that may have been it. Not sure... I tend to be a cheap ass and wait for it to come out on Netflix or something. Thumbsup

Netflix counts for the thread! Smile

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15-01-2017, 02:40 PM
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(15-01-2017 11:19 AM)Shai Hulud Wrote:  
(15-01-2017 11:07 AM)The Organic Chemist Wrote:  It called "the lock-in." Haven't seen it.

Edit, the chick in matter of faith is smokin' hot though. The only reason to watch it IMO.

I've not either, and thanks for the name of it! When I was a Baptist, my old church had bought a former funeral home and christened it their "Life Center". We would play sardines on the third floor, with the windows taped over with layers of garbage bags, and the light switches taped down...total darkness, and super creepy. Especially when we found a homeless man in there.

And agreed on Jordan Trovillion (the 30 year old playing the Freshman) being gorgeous.

(15-01-2017 11:16 AM)ReistLaxCoach Wrote:  Blush I can't even think of the last time I went to a movie theatre! Hmmm. No Country For Old Men? ... that may have been it. Not sure... I tend to be a cheap ass and wait for it to come out on Netflix or something. Thumbsup

Netflix counts for the thread! Smile

... in THAT case, watched Skyfall the other night. Meh. The old James Bond stuff is better: Sean Connery was my favorite Bond.

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16-01-2017, 02:20 PM
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(15-01-2017 02:40 PM)ReistLaxCoach Wrote:  
(15-01-2017 11:19 AM)Shai Hulud Wrote:  I've not either, and thanks for the name of it! When I was a Baptist, my old church had bought a former funeral home and christened it their "Life Center". We would play sardines on the third floor, with the windows taped over with layers of garbage bags, and the light switches taped down...total darkness, and super creepy. Especially when we found a homeless man in there.

And agreed on Jordan Trovillion (the 30 year old playing the Freshman) being gorgeous.


Netflix counts for the thread! Smile

... in THAT case, watched Skyfall the other night. Meh. The old James Bond stuff is better: Sean Connery was my favorite Bond.

So much better than the current Bond!

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Today, because I have an addiction to cheesy Christian movies that will sadly never get me a guest slot on God Awful Movies, we're going to watch Hillsong's Let Hope Rise. Why this one? I found it on sale. Will I regret the money I spent on it? Probably. Would my Evangelical students involved in CRU love to raid my movie collection if they knew what I had? Also probably. Am I a masochist? Also probably.

You know, to rip off GAM, gee Shai Hulud, how bad was this movie? Well self, if you've ever wondered if all Australian and Kiwi Christians seem to be racist, or if it's just Ken Ham and Ray Comfort that sometimes come off that way, this is the movie for you! A better title might be "Hillsong: The White Man's Burden". Watch as Christian singers travel the world, make altar calls in third world countries that are predominantly Catholic, and try to save the pagan savages from the wrong brand of Christianity. Then watch as they talk about how awesome they are, and how humble they are.

So below the spoilers...

Hmm...yeah just realized this too is made by Pureflix. How? Well, we're not to the DVD menu and so far have previewed I Am Not Ashamed and God's not Dead 2. Oh good Lord, now an ad for Woodlawn, about school desegregation and sports. I've not seen it, but I'm going to guess, and would be willing to lay money on, Remember the Titans being infinitely better. (And not just because I tear up in it a lot.) Now an ad for Old Fashioned...a movie about courtship, and how evil it is to date women, that you should just be friends and then get married. "When did treating women with respect become a joke?!" Now an ad for "Priceless", which is about a human trafficker who realizes how evil his profession is, and trying to rescue the women he helped smuggle?

Hey's let's watch the extra on the founding of Hillsong church first...why did I do this? This is every generic Christian video about how their church is the best church, and bragging how they have churches all over the world and have grown from a small church in Sydney to a multi-campus megachurch, and how songs and worship are key parts of their church and teaching theology and the Gospel is part of their songs. The woman telling me that part has the job title, "Global Creative Pastor". Why is this extra feature 29 minutes long?! Another person, a kid now, talking about how she was put in an orphanage and their summer camp made her realize there's a God. "The youth ministry exists to build the church." Now a guy from Hillsong Moscow who talks about how he spends 3 hours commuting each way to and from church because he loves it and its creative team.

Started the movie. "We have never been more disorganized in our entire life". No duh Australian dude, I have no clue who anyone is, and its a series of camera shots showing people wandering around aimlessly, and you mumble a lot. "A lot of people view this and say you're out of your minds, but God created music for the sole purpose of worshiping Him. We're doing all of this so that one person, I'll never meet, gets to experience God in a new way, in a true way." Cut to b-roll of people who are going to the concerts while another "worship leader" talks about all the people she knows who have 9-5 jobs and get drunk on the weekends and how they even say there has to be more than this. Team huddle prayer before singing.

"EVERYBODY DANCE" long haired Australian dude starts spinning in a circle and I am so sad to not see him fall of the stage. I so wanted to see if the crowd would catch him. Man they love their green lights way too much. And now self masturbatory news clips about how "traditional" churches are on the decline, but how they're growing all over the world, and how people wait in lines for city blocks to go into their church services, and how they keep drawing in the crowds.

Now the two Senior Pastors are reminiscing as they visit their original church, which those whole scene, to me, is a metaphor for their metamorphosis. This place is full of boxes and abandoned, and their original church is piled high with crap as they go "oh look, it's been so long..." it's like yeah, that's what happens when you abandon your roots, figuratively and literally. Also this entire movie seems to be one giant Humble Brag about how awesome they are.

"We're the biggest band you've never heard of. My neighbors know I'm a Christian and work for a church, but they don't know I sung to a stadium last week." And now playing in the snow in Canada because some of them had never seen snow in their lives. Now a montage about how they keep topping Christian billboards charts and the 10s of millions of albums they've sold, and news clips like, "50 million people sing Hillsong songs in church every week". Altar call time in Manila, gotta save those dirty brown Catholics from their pagan ways...I'm being sarcastic of course, but it's coming off very "white man's burden". Seriously, 30 minutes in, and so far only one scene where it's not been a predominantly white group of people hasn't looked like abject poverty.

I feel really bad for this one hipster band member's wife. She's stuck at home with the kids while he's traveling the world. Then even when he's home, he's just chatting amiably with the camera while she's trying to corral the kids and one is screaming nonstop, and he's not so much as turning to help her as he waxes on about how he loves to help people.

Oh here goes the whole "I had $200 in my bank account" and how investing that in the church changes your life. All that fun stuff. "Some people don't know how to worship God, or whatever" and how she has to show people to raise their hands in surrender.

Did this guy seriously just remark that there aren't a lot of Christian songs about crying out to God for help? For real? Aww, now we're meeting the baby of one of the singers, who had two holes in his heart and he had to have surgery. Heartstrings pulled. Now another singer talking about when he was ten, how they found his 15 year old sister hanging from a rope in her bedroom, and how it makes you ask sometimes about how God can allow this stuff to happen. Now the senior pastor is discussing how someone came to him about his father and how rough that was, that he never thought he'd have to deal with abuse in his own home. And he left it at that, so I googled it..."Hillsong pastor believes his father sexually abused victims for decades".

Onward to the less than thrilling rehearsals before a big gig. "We were up to 4 this morning, there's no other option right now". 3 months to worship at The Forum in Los Angeles. Man there is SO MUCH MUSIC in this. To be expected, but still. Oh look, we cut to non-white parts of the planet and they look all super poor again.

I may have zoned out and missed this, but it took an hour and a half into an hour and forty-ish minutes film, to actually talk at any length about Jesus dying on the cross for the sins of humanity. At least in a way that wasn't also going "omg Hillsong is the best church ever". "Overall it's not about us, it's about God." No shit Sherlock, but you'd not know this from the rest of your insipid film.

Seven more minutes Shai, seven more minutes. And we're singing again. So probably that will be five of it. Oh nope, we just went to "HILLSONG LET HOPE RISE" and credits. How could this thing have seven minutes of credits? It was a poorly produced piece of garbage! I want to go watch A Matter of Faith to feel better. Oh this is how, we're going to intercut the credits with even more concert footage.



Overall Shai Hulud rating: I actually enjoy Hillsong's music. I have a Hillsong playlist on iTunes. But after this movie, I'm going to feel very conflicted about ever buying one of their songs again, because they've come across as everything that is wrong with Evangelical Pop Christianity; from the unintentional dog whistle racism to the entertainment-over-substance approach, to the nonstop humble bragging about how they're the ones who are doing all of this right, to half the film essentially just being shots of them singing their music. I'm pretty sure they realized if they didn't do that, they'd not have long enough for a film, and that none of us would suffer through the rest of this. Overall rating: 1 out of 5, and only that high, because half the film was their music.

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17-01-2017, 12:16 AM
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(16-01-2017 02:20 PM)Shai Hulud Wrote:  Overall Shai Hulud rating: I actually enjoy Hillsong's music. I have a Hillsong playlist on iTunes. But after this movie, I'm going to feel very conflicted about ever buying one of their songs again, because they've come across as everything that is wrong with Evangelical Pop Christianity; from the unintentional dog whistle racism to the entertainment-over-substance approach, to the nonstop humble bragging about how they're the ones who are doing all of this right, to half the film essentially just being shots of them singing their music. I'm pretty sure they realized if they didn't do that, they'd not have long enough for a film, and that none of us would suffer through the rest of this. Overall rating: 1 out of 5, and only that high, because half the film was their music.

Interesting review. Also interesting article. I note that they have a very Catholic approach to reporting paedophilia to the police Dodgy Also no wonder they glossed over it in the movie, according to the Daily Mail article (admittedly not the most stellar source) says that Frank Houston was the FOUNDER of Hillsong Hobo Not exactly the guy you want front and centre when you're making a film about how awesome your church is, the paedophile founder...

Why do you watch this tripe? I kinda enjoy that you do, 'cos at least it does shine a light on the twisted fuckery that's inside these people's minds, but Jesus, I'd go mental.

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17-01-2017, 08:17 AM
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Post awards season, January is the movie industry's dumping ground.

There's a reason why the 5th or 6th movie for both the Underworld and Resident Evil franchises are out this month.

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17-01-2017, 01:31 PM
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(17-01-2017 12:16 AM)morondog Wrote:  
(16-01-2017 02:20 PM)Shai Hulud Wrote:  Overall Shai Hulud rating: I actually enjoy Hillsong's music. I have a Hillsong playlist on iTunes. But after this movie, I'm going to feel very conflicted about ever buying one of their songs again, because they've come across as everything that is wrong with Evangelical Pop Christianity; from the unintentional dog whistle racism to the entertainment-over-substance approach, to the nonstop humble bragging about how they're the ones who are doing all of this right, to half the film essentially just being shots of them singing their music. I'm pretty sure they realized if they didn't do that, they'd not have long enough for a film, and that none of us would suffer through the rest of this. Overall rating: 1 out of 5, and only that high, because half the film was their music.

Interesting review. Also interesting article. I note that they have a very Catholic approach to reporting paedophilia to the police Dodgy Also no wonder they glossed over it in the movie, according to the Daily Mail article (admittedly not the most stellar source) says that Frank Houston was the FOUNDER of Hillsong Hobo Not exactly the guy you want front and centre when you're making a film about how awesome your church is, the paedophile founder...

Why do you watch this tripe? I kinda enjoy that you do, 'cos at least it does shine a light on the twisted fuckery that's inside these people's minds, but Jesus, I'd go mental.

I seriously think I have an addiction to cheesy Christian cinema. That or maybe a part of me is hoping that I find something that can pierce my "hardened heart" and fill me with passion for God. Because, let's face it, my morality is grounded more firmly in secular humanism than it is in religion; it's just often that the two manage to intersect in places where I tend to plant my flag on many issues. That all said, it's also possible I'm unconsciously choosing to reinforce my anti-Evangelical bias. Glad to help provide a look into the worldview of some Evangelicals via Christian movies though. BibleReloaded and Jaclyn Glenn are too nice to Christian cinema, only GAM treats them with the disdain they deserve. One quote, to paraphrase, that gives the best insight I think, is that Christian films are like pornography...we all know the basic plot, we all know who is what stereotype, and we all know how it's going to end.

On the article, yeah....DM isn't the best source, but for this I'd trust it. It was just the first result when I googled, out of...many. And yeah, my church (and almost all) blow when it comes to handling sexual abuse most times. For privacy sake, no names, but a friend last night was telling me about a religious order she had left, and how now its mired in abuse allegations, ranging from pedophilia to priests raping nuns, etc. in South America. And how even the parishioners of that order's churches were vilifying the victims as being 'of the Devil'. And yeah...in the film, not only do they sidestep by trailing off on the abuse, not even mentioning the sexual part (unless I heard wrong), but they make a point of saying it was his son and son's wife who started the church. Talk about divorcing stuff.

Also, you didn't ask, but in case anyone wondered from my tendency to post this stuff, between Prime, iTunes, and physical DVDs/Blu Rays, my Christian cinema list (off top of head, so probably not complete):
  • God's Not Dead*
  • God's Not Dead 2*
  • Kirk Cameron's Fireproof
  • The Prince of Egypt (animated and best Christian film I've ever watched)*
  • War Room
  • A Matter of Faith**
  • Kidnapped for Christ
  • God's Club
  • I Am Not Ashamed
  • Courageous (set in the same universe as Fireproof)
  • Passion of the Christ**
  • Hillsong: Let Hope Rise
  • Left Behind
  • Left Behind (Nicholas Cage version)

* = Saw in theater.
** = Twice in theater.

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17-01-2017, 02:33 PM
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(17-01-2017 01:31 PM)Shai Hulud Wrote:  [*]The Prince of Egypt (animated and best Christian film I've ever watched)*

Is that the Disney one about Moses? I remember that. Even got a review in Time magazine. I found it distastefully faithful Dodgy

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17-01-2017, 02:39 PM
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(17-01-2017 02:33 PM)morondog Wrote:  
(17-01-2017 01:31 PM)Shai Hulud Wrote:  [*]The Prince of Egypt (animated and best Christian film I've ever watched)*

Is that the Disney one about Moses? I remember that. Even got a review in Time magazine. I found it distastefully faithful Dodgy

Well it was overall sort of faithful to the source material. Portraying Moses and Ramses as brothers who were rivals, and genuinely cared about each other was rather novel, I thought at least. And, yup that would be the one. Among the voice actors were Val Kilmer, Ralph Fiennes, Michelle Pfeiffer, Sandra Bullock, Jeff Goldblum, Danny Glover, Patrick Stewart, Steven Martin, Martin Short, and Helen Mirren.

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