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(06-01-2013 01:25 PM)Hobbitgirl Wrote:  There are no Orcs in the book, Just the goblins, Just as there are no wargs in the book, only wolves. I do recommend everyone read the book at least once.

Yeah, but orcs and goblins are the same. He started using the word orcs in his later works

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(06-01-2013 01:29 PM)Vera Wrote:  

(06-01-2013 01:25 PM)Hobbitgirl Wrote:  There are no Orcs in the book, Just the goblins, Just as there are no wargs in the book, only wolves. I do recommend everyone read the book at least once.

Yeah, but orcs and goblins are the same. He started using the word orcs in his later works

Azog in the books is actually called a goblin I believe.

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(06-01-2013 01:33 PM)Hobbitgirl Wrote:  

(06-01-2013 01:29 PM)Vera Wrote:  Yeah, but orcs and goblins are the same. He started using the word orcs in his later works

Azog in the books is actually called a goblin I believe.

But I must say I'm pleased that there are actual tolkien fans here. I feel even more at home.

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Well, he used the words (mostly) interchangeably, so they are basically the same creatures.

But yeah, I even wrote a paper on the (in)constant nature in the works of Shelley and Tolkien, while at uni. My MA thesis was called Beauty and the Beast or the Mythology of J.R.R.Tolkien as One Man’s Rebellion Against the Decay of Beauty in the 20th Century, but that was mostly 'cause they forced me to do a literary spin on my idea to write about just the idea of beauty. Those Swedes...

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(06-01-2013 01:41 PM)Vera Wrote:  Well, he used the words (mostly) interchangeably, so they are basically the same creatures.

But yeah, I even wrote a paper on the (in)constant nature in the works of Shelley and Tolkien, while at uni. My MA thesis was called Beauty and the Beast or the Mythology of J.R.R.Tolkien as One Man’s Rebellion Against the Decay of Beauty in the 20th Century, but that was mostly 'cause they forced me to do a literary spin on my idea to write about just the idea of beauty. Those Swedes...

Damn those swedes.

[Vera]

(06-01-2013 01:41 PM)Hobbitgirl Wrote:  Damn those swedes.

Damn straight "damn those swedes". I was still religious when I wrote my thesis and writing about Tolkien resulted in the occasional mild religious undertone... enough to make me kinda ashamed of my paper now

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(06-01-2013 01:51 PM)Vera Wrote:  

(06-01-2013 01:41 PM)Hobbitgirl Wrote:  Damn those swedes.

Damn straight "damn those swedes". I was still religious when I wrote my thesis and writing about Tolkien resulted in the occasional mild religious undertone... enough to make me kinda ashamed of my paper now

“I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence" J.R.R. Tolkien



Dont be ashamed. We all did things we regret when we dabbled in mythologies *pats back*

[Vera]

(06-01-2013 01:54 PM)Hobbitgirl Wrote:  “I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence" J.R.R. Tolkien

Oh, how many times have I quoted this to folks trying to sell me that tired old crap about how The Lord of the Rings is a WW2 allegory

Quote:Dont be ashamed. We all did things we regret when we dabbled in mythologies *pats back*

Ah, but I subsist on shame and guilt...

But I like how you put it

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(06-01-2013 02:02 PM)Vera Wrote:  

(06-01-2013 01:54 PM)Hobbitgirl Wrote:  “I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence" J.R.R. Tolkien

Oh, how many times have I quoted this to folks trying to sell me that tired old crap about how The Lord of the Rings is a WW2 allegory

Quote:Dont be ashamed. We all did things we regret when we dabbled in mythologies *pats back*

Ah, but I subsist on shame and guilt...

But I like how you put it

Or how Gandalf is Jesus....argh!

[Vera]

(06-01-2013 02:06 PM)Hobbitgirl Wrote:  Or how Gandalf is Jesus....argh!

Well, this particular crock I hadn't heard. Wouldn't have gone for it even back then... my religious hints were about the lack of meaning in a faithless world. Though mine is possibly worse