Rav Kook, or Why Some Jews Don't Hate Us As Much
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09-04-2016, 06:26 AM
RE: Rav Kook, or Why Some Jews Don't Hate Us As Much
(08-04-2016 05:58 PM)Aliza Wrote:  
(08-04-2016 04:36 PM)Banjo Wrote:  A guy who looks the other way during the Holocaust?

Rav Kook sounds like he’s speaking to a Jewish audience here; an audience who understands the Jewish concept of G-d and appreciates that we view G-d as being everyone and everything in the universe simultaneously.

So, the universe is god? Got it.

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09-04-2016, 10:01 AM
RE: Rav Kook, or Why Some Jews Don't Hate Us As Much
(09-04-2016 06:26 AM)Banjo Wrote:  So, the universe is god? Got it.

That actually is the view of some religions. I can't remember right now if it was kabbalah or my last xian church, but they believed that the "energy of God" was what keeps everything together. Therefore, since energy and mass are basically the same, God is energy, therefore mass, and therefore the universe.

Amazing how the goalposts are raised every generation, huh? Smile
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13-04-2016, 05:35 AM
RE: Rav Kook, or Why Some Jews Don't Hate Us As Much
(09-04-2016 06:26 AM)Banjo Wrote:  
(08-04-2016 05:58 PM)Aliza Wrote:  Rav Kook sounds like he’s speaking to a Jewish audience here; an audience who understands the Jewish concept of G-d and appreciates that we view G-d as being everyone and everything in the universe simultaneously.

So, the universe is god? Got it.

This "god is everything" stuff is pretty silly. It makes god an integral part of sin, where is god when a penis is about to go somewhere god doesn't want it to go? Right there, he IS the penis and he IS the naughty receptacle for that penis. Facepalm

It's just too ridiculous to consider the concept seriously, the same thing would apply for omniscience, god is right there, better than the closest camera in a porn shoot getting the money shot. Facepalm

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13-04-2016, 06:42 AM
RE: Rav Kook, or Why Some Jews Don't Hate Us As Much
(13-04-2016 05:35 AM)TheInquisition Wrote:  
(09-04-2016 06:26 AM)Banjo Wrote:  So, the universe is god? Got it.

This "god is everything" stuff is pretty silly. It makes god an integral part of sin, where is god when a penis is about to go somewhere god doesn't want it to go? Right there, he IS the penis and he IS the naughty receptacle for that penis. Facepalm

It's just too ridiculous to consider the concept seriously, the same thing would apply for omniscience, god is right there, better than the closest camera in a porn shoot getting the money shot. Facepalm

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What's wrong with porn?

Christians expect that G-d is omnibenevolent, and we don’t. –Actually, before joining this forum, I’d never even heard that some people think G-d is supposed to be omnibenevolent and all-loving. It sounds totally ridiculous to me and defies what I see and how I interact with the world around me. G-d is good and G-d is evil in equal parts; more like the Force.

Thank G-d we’re not Christians, and we don’t think the way Christians do. Our understanding of the meaning of life does not include any notion that we'll never encounter evil as long as we "believe."
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13-04-2016, 07:00 AM
RE: Rav Kook, or Why Some Jews Don't Hate Us As Much
(06-04-2016 10:07 PM)Aliza Wrote:  especially considering what a huge % of the Jewish community is secular agnostic, and the fact that atheism is not at odds with Judaism.

I am curious now. You don't really have a religion if you don't have a firm belief in the being the religion is based on. Even if it is not the case now, there had to be a time possibly not that long ago that you had to be a believer to belong. I found in my experience that it is hard to believe when things are not just handed to you and things don't always just work out. It is probably easy for the politicians to believe, because they were born into money and have never known having a real job. Could it be that this all changed during the holocaust? Maybe some of your ancestors decided that god could not possibly exist, due to the absolute cruelty and being save by secular means? I mean, they were not saved by a god they were saved by lots of humans with guns, bombs, and aircraft. I don't think jews were always open minded or close to being atheistic. Still today most are not from what I can tell. Unless it is all for show to keep a minority status.
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13-04-2016, 07:09 AM
RE: Rav Kook, or Why Some Jews Don't Hate Us As Much
(13-04-2016 06:42 AM)Aliza Wrote:  
(13-04-2016 05:35 AM)TheInquisition Wrote:  This "god is everything" stuff is pretty silly. It makes god an integral part of sin, where is god when a penis is about to go somewhere god doesn't want it to go? Right there, he IS the penis and he IS the naughty receptacle for that penis. Facepalm

It's just too ridiculous to consider the concept seriously, the same thing would apply for omniscience, god is right there, better than the closest camera in a porn shoot getting the money shot. Facepalm

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What's wrong with porn?

Christians expect that G-d is omnibenevolent, and we don’t. –Actually, before joining this forum, I’d never even heard that some people think G-d is supposed to be omnibenevolent and all-loving. It sounds totally ridiculous to me and defies what I see and how I interact with the world around me. G-d is good and G-d is evil in equal parts; more like the Force.

Thank G-d we’re not Christians, and we don’t think the way Christians do. Our understanding of the meaning of life does not include any notion that we'll never encounter evil as long as we "believe."

I never got why anyone who claims to believe the God of the biblical texts would be any of the omni... because it so clearly wasn't written that way. Even the omnipotent, omniscient, & omnipresent attributes don't describe the actions and patterns of the described god. Besides, those ideas didn't come from that philosophy/theology anyway, it's from some classical greek & other theosophists labels of what a main god would be.

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13-04-2016, 07:22 AM
RE: Rav Kook, or Why Some Jews Don't Hate Us As Much
(13-04-2016 07:00 AM)Birdguy1979 Wrote:  
(06-04-2016 10:07 PM)Aliza Wrote:  especially considering what a huge % of the Jewish community is secular agnostic, and the fact that atheism is not at odds with Judaism.

I am curious now. You don't really have a religion if you don't have a firm belief in the being the religion is based on. Even if it is not the case now, there had to be a time possibly not that long ago that you had to be a believer to belong. I found in my experience that it is hard to believe when things are not just handed to you and things don't always just work out. It is probably easy for the politicians to believe, because they were born into money and have never known having a real job. Could it be that this all changed during the holocaust? Maybe some of your ancestors decided that god could not possibly exist, due to the absolute cruelty and being save by secular means? I mean, they were not saved by a god they were saved by lots of humans with guns, bombs, and aircraft. I don't think jews were always open minded or close to being atheistic. Still today most are not from what I can tell. Unless it is all for show to keep a minority status.

Judaism is not based on beliefs and has never been based on beliefs. Flavius Josephus, the famous Roman chronicler was a Jew and regarded as a Jew even though he embraced the Roman religion and culture of his adoptive family. Judaism does not function in the same way that Christianity and Islam do. It's just not a faith based religion.

Judaism has always had religiously uneducated, secular Jews in its population, and even Jews who have embraced other religions. It's not what they're supposed to do, but it happens.

During Roman times, the Pharisees were the religious Jews, while the Sadducees were the secular Jews. During Greek times, secularism was at an all time high and Jews were embracing Greek, secular culture in an effort to blend in and feel comfortable with their neighbors. They were still Jews, though.

Atheist Jews popped up around the turn of the century. I honestly think it's because European Jews had been forced into Jewish villages and were denied education. When they were finally permitted to peruse higher learning, they wanted to shed their Judaism because they were perceived to be Christ killers by the Christian majority. In an effort to fit in and be accepted (while not becoming Christians, which is viewed as vile and disgusting), they adopted western culture not not western religion. If they're trying to distance themselves from Judaism, and they're not interested in becoming Christian, then atheism seems like a good place to go.
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13-04-2016, 10:53 AM
RE: Rav Kook, or Why Some Jews Don't Hate Us As Much
(13-04-2016 06:42 AM)Aliza Wrote:  
(13-04-2016 05:35 AM)TheInquisition Wrote:  This "god is everything" stuff is pretty silly. It makes god an integral part of sin, where is god when a penis is about to go somewhere god doesn't want it to go? Right there, he IS the penis and he IS the naughty receptacle for that penis. Facepalm

It's just too ridiculous to consider the concept seriously, the same thing would apply for omniscience, god is right there, better than the closest camera in a porn shoot getting the money shot. Facepalm

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What's wrong with porn?

Christians expect that G-d is omnibenevolent, and we don’t. –Actually, before joining this forum, I’d never even heard that some people think G-d is supposed to be omnibenevolent and all-loving. It sounds totally ridiculous to me and defies what I see and how I interact with the world around me. G-d is good and G-d is evil in equal parts; more like the Force.

Thank G-d we’re not Christians, and we don’t think the way Christians do. Our understanding of the meaning of life does not include any notion that we'll never encounter evil as long as we "believe."

Actually, like the mean kid squatting over an ant hill with a garden hose, magnifying glass, and a box of cookies. Dropping crumbs on some (The filthy stinking rich), scorching some nearly to death, killing some outright, and drowning others with no rhyme or reason for it. Yeah, that's how I see god if he/she/it exists at all.
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