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30-06-2014, 10:14 AM
Reading through the bible again
So I started reading the bible from the beginning again. My first two times actually reading the whole thing I was actually in the beginning phases of my atheism. This time I went into with more understanding on scientific processes and theories. So I noticed something I never had before...the beginning of the days as noted in Genesis has some huge problems from the first few verses.

1. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

So I started to wonder....where is the sun? Is it just implied that he created the sun here? Even if that is the case doesn't light take years to travel the distance to the earth?

14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

Oh....so he created it...days after he made light? Where did the light from the third verse come from then? Another question this passage raises- I'm guessing the other "light" is the moon....Doesn't the moon reflect light not give it off?Blink



I seriously had to put this down for a while after just 20 verses.
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30-06-2014, 10:24 AM
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Why?!

Almoust every other bok out there is more usefull.

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30-06-2014, 10:32 AM
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(30-06-2014 10:24 AM)The Germans are coming Wrote:  Why?!

Almoust every other bok out there is more usefull.

I'm doing an full research on the entire bible pointing out every inconsistency through every book....this one is posing to be a lot of work.
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30-06-2014, 10:45 AM
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(30-06-2014 10:32 AM)MrKrispy601 Wrote:  
(30-06-2014 10:24 AM)The Germans are coming Wrote:  Why?!

Almoust every other bok out there is more usefull.

I'm doing an full research on the entire bible pointing out every inconsistency through every book....this one is posing to be a lot of work.

Yep. The bible is horse shit.
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30-06-2014, 10:58 AM
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(30-06-2014 10:32 AM)MrKrispy601 Wrote:  
(30-06-2014 10:24 AM)The Germans are coming Wrote:  Why?!

Almoust every other bok out there is more usefull.

I'm doing an full research on the entire bible pointing out every inconsistency through every book....this one is posing to be a lot of work.

I tried to do that once, but got bored and gave up after just a few pages. There were just too many inconsistencies and contradictions to keep up with, and I decided it wasn't worth the effort. It is theoretically useful, when arguing with theists, to know their holy book better than they do, but it still doesn't really get you anywhere. They "know" that they're right, and any evidence to the contrary just goes in one ear and out the other. I had this exact experience with my Bible-thumpin' brother just yesterday.

The other thing is that this wheel has already been invented. If you want to go through with your project, you can save yourself a lot of work by checking out resources like Buddy Christ's thread here on this forum, or the Skeptic's Annotated Bible (http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/).
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30-06-2014, 11:03 AM
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(30-06-2014 10:58 AM)Grasshopper Wrote:  
(30-06-2014 10:32 AM)MrKrispy601 Wrote:  I'm doing an full research on the entire bible pointing out every inconsistency through every book....this one is posing to be a lot of work.

I tried to do that once, but got bored and gave up after just a few pages. There were just too many inconsistencies and contradictions to keep up with, and I decided it wasn't worth the effort. It is theoretically useful, when arguing with theists, to know their holy book better than they do, but it still doesn't really get you anywhere. They "know" that they're right, and any evidence to the contrary just goes in one ear and out the other. I had this exact experience with my Bible-thumpin' brother just yesterday.

The other thing is that this wheel has already been invented. If you want to go through with your project, you can save yourself a lot of work by checking out resources like Buddy Christ's thread here on this forum, or the Skeptic's Annotated Bible (http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/).

Oh I've already seen it done on a number of website but this I actually enjoy doing the research so it's not to make money or anything just for my own knowledge. Thanks for that information though.
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30-06-2014, 11:15 AM
Reading through the bible again
(30-06-2014 10:32 AM)MrKrispy601 Wrote:  
(30-06-2014 10:24 AM)The Germans are coming Wrote:  Why?!

Almoust every other bok out there is more usefull.

I'm doing an full research on the entire bible pointing out every inconsistency through every book....this one is posing to be a lot of work.

Have you seen this contradictions in the bible infographic yet?

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http://sciencebasedlife.wordpress.com/20...adictions/

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30-06-2014, 11:55 AM
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(30-06-2014 10:58 AM)Grasshopper Wrote:  
(30-06-2014 10:32 AM)MrKrispy601 Wrote:  I'm doing an full research on the entire bible pointing out every inconsistency through every book....this one is posing to be a lot of work.

I tried to do that once, but got bored and gave up after just a few pages. There were just too many inconsistencies and contradictions to keep up with, and I decided it wasn't worth the effort. It is theoretically useful, when arguing with theists, to know their holy book better than they do, but it still doesn't really get you anywhere. They "know" that they're right, and any evidence to the contrary just goes in one ear and out the other. I had this exact experience with my Bible-thumpin' brother just yesterday.

The other thing is that this wheel has already been invented. If you want to go through with your project, you can save yourself a lot of work by checking out resources like Buddy Christ's thread here on this forum, or the Skeptic's Annotated Bible (http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/).

This exactly.

I have learned during my time here that using silly things like "facts" and "good arguments" doesn't really do anything to dissuade believes. Christians have an emotional and fear based attachment to their faith. They see the god in their heads as a personal friend, they used explanations provided by faith as a way to understand difficult things (life, death, justice, ect), and then the fear of hell makes it difficult for them to even entertain alternatives. I don't know if there is a good way to approach the believers. I am starting to believe that people who don't have faith just think about the world a bit differently than people that do. The doubt has to sprout in their own mind, based on their own observations, before all the facts and the logical arguments can go through. By then they are well on their way anyway.

Reading the bible and noting all the reasons not to believe is really only useful for the nonbelievers. Don't let that stop you, of course. For me, personally, I have read a significant portion of the bible and at this point I don't plan to continue. I am as familiar as I ever will need to be with these bronze age myths. I would rather do other things instead. That is just me though.
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30-06-2014, 01:00 PM
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Restudying the bible with new understanding is exactly what I did as well. I think it was a necessary purging. Like you, I can hardly read a verse or two now, without seeing the flaws.

The tree of knowledge was a big "hmm??" for me. What was it's purpose? God clearly didn't need it, and he forbid Adam and Eve to eat it's fruit.....so? why the hell did he put it in the garden? Consider

Well, one would think that god being so almighty and stuff, that he would've proof read a bit better, huh? Rolleyes

Anyways, as a new atheist, I get it!

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30-06-2014, 01:01 PM
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Love to torture yourself eh?
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