Real Reasons for Ratzinger's Retirement
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12-01-2016, 08:12 AM
RE: Real Reasons for Ratzinger's Retirement
(12-01-2016 07:41 AM)DerFish Wrote:  
(11-02-2013 04:39 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Your #2 was the first thing I thought of, and it is possible. Perhaps there is now a smoking gun between a victim and his time as Prefect of the Congregation of the Faith. But I doubt it. It's just general incompetence. A couple years ago they realized how bad things were when they hired that Fox News PR guy to actually sit in the Apostolic Palace in the central daily meetings, as an advisor. I don't remember which of the blunders prompted the hiring exactly, but they knew they were in trouble. Then in the recent "butler" scandal, the Italian newspapers exposed what disarray his administration is in, and the infighting that is constant. So I suspect they just convinced him he was such a poor administrator it was time to go. If he had ever assembled a strong team with central power it would be different, but it seems the various factions, each have enough power to hold each other at bay.
But come on, he's an 85 year old. long past retirement age German academic, who was a seminary professor, and never ran anything in his life. How would someone like that be expected to run a huge organization ? It was a blunder to ever put him in office in the first place.
http://www.npr.org/2012/06/02/154093529/...gulfs-rome
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/25/world/....html?_r=0
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/01...62590.html
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...hurch.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatileaks_scandal
http://abcnews.go.com/International/vati...d=17378353

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12-01-2016, 09:56 AM
RE: Real Reasons for Ratzinger's Retirement
(11-01-2016 11:27 PM)Imathinker Wrote:  Christ, the pope's brother was a kiddie fucker too? I'm starting to wonder how many preists in Rome actually AREN'T pedos.

Do any of the accusations implicate him directly? He was in charge and responsible for any coverup and for not stopping it in the first place but I haven't seen him accused of participating.

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12-01-2016, 10:05 AM
RE: Real Reasons for Ratzinger's Retirement
(12-01-2016 09:56 AM)unfogged Wrote:  
(11-01-2016 11:27 PM)Imathinker Wrote:  Christ, the pope's brother was a kiddie fucker too? I'm starting to wonder how many preists in Rome actually AREN'T pedos.

Do any of the accusations implicate him directly? He was in charge and responsible for any coverup and for not stopping it in the first place but I haven't seen him accused of participating.


No, the articles make it clear that no one has accused him (the pope's brother) of sexual abuse. Or physical abuse for that matter.

However the article also makes it clear that the abuse was common knowledge amongst the staff. It was frowned upon but not punished.

The cover-up and condoning are as evil as the acts themselves, albeit in a different way.

How fucked up does a person have to be to condone this?
How can you sleep at night, when you know that children are being abused?
When you know who is doing it? When you know when and where?
At the very least, what keeps you from picking up the phone and calling the police?

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12-01-2016, 10:33 AM
RE: Real Reasons for Ratzinger's Retirement
(12-01-2016 10:05 AM)Fatbaldhobbit Wrote:  
(12-01-2016 09:56 AM)unfogged Wrote:  Do any of the accusations implicate him directly? He was in charge and responsible for any coverup and for not stopping it in the first place but I haven't seen him accused of participating.


No, the articles make it clear that no one has accused him (the pope's brother) of sexual abuse. Or physical abuse for that matter.

However the article also makes it clear that the abuse was common knowledge amongst the staff. It was frowned upon but not punished.

The cover-up and condoning are as evil as the acts themselves, albeit in a different way.

How fucked up does a person have to be to condone this?
How can you sleep at night, when you know that children are being abused?
When you know who is doing it? When you know when and where?
At the very least, what keeps you from picking up the phone and calling the police?

It looks like Italy's statute of limitation puts all of the criminals in the clear. They can't even charge them with anything.

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12-01-2016, 12:27 PM
RE: Real Reasons for Ratzinger's Retirement
(12-01-2016 10:05 AM)Fatbaldhobbit Wrote:  How fucked up does a person have to be to condone this?


Fucked up enough to put their faith in a god.


(12-01-2016 10:05 AM)Fatbaldhobbit Wrote:  How can you sleep at night, when you know that children are being abused?


Because god allows it (free will argument), and will punish or forgive on his own terms.


(12-01-2016 10:05 AM)Fatbaldhobbit Wrote:  When you know who is doing it? When you know when and where?


It's not their place to judge (except when it is, like hating on consenting gay adults having sex).


(12-01-2016 10:05 AM)Fatbaldhobbit Wrote:  At the very least, what keeps you from picking up the phone and calling the police?


When absolute forgiveness is but a mere confession and a few hail Mary's away, who needs secular authorities? The Catholic Church are god's representatives on Earth after all. Dodgy

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16-01-2016, 06:27 AM
RE: Real Reasons for Ratzinger's Retirement
(12-01-2016 12:27 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(12-01-2016 10:05 AM)Fatbaldhobbit Wrote:  How fucked up does a person have to be to condone this?


Fucked up enough to put their faith in a god.


(12-01-2016 10:05 AM)Fatbaldhobbit Wrote:  How can you sleep at night, when you know that children are being abused?


Because god allows it (free will argument), and will punish or forgive on his own terms.


(12-01-2016 10:05 AM)Fatbaldhobbit Wrote:  When you know who is doing it? When you know when and where?


It's not their place to judge (except when it is, like hating on consenting gay adults having sex).


(12-01-2016 10:05 AM)Fatbaldhobbit Wrote:  At the very least, what keeps you from picking up the phone and calling the police?


When absolute forgiveness is but a mere confession and a few hail Mary's away, who needs secular authorities? The Catholic Church are god's representatives on Earth after all. Dodgy

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16-01-2016, 06:33 AM
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"They will get someone in charge who's more in touch and likeable, someone with a squeaky clean past, and they'll have a new lease of life and heaps of new publicity."

Mmmmm. I was right, wasn't I!

My guess is they employed some switched on pr firm to choose the current puppet.
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16-01-2016, 06:38 AM
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(12-01-2016 08:03 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(12-01-2016 07:41 AM)DerFish Wrote:  Hey careful. It is God that put him in office. Do you think God makes blunders?

Ummmm ... yeah. Apparently big ones.

Ummmm ... no. It all happens in line with His ineffable plan.

Remember, He's a fucking sadist. Drinking Beverage

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