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12-02-2013, 06:50 PM
RE: Real Reasons for Ratzinger's Retirement
(12-02-2013 12:12 AM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  AH! Now I know what IRC stands for.

Insipid Roman Catholic.

I was going to reply to you with some facts, but remembered you're not interested in facts.

For those who are...
http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/...enDocument


Facts. Sure. Why not?

The number of Catholics in .au increased by 6.1% between the 2006 Census and the 2011 Census

http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/...E2%80%9310
http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/...02012-2013

Up 6.1% WOW!

Even after that relentless attack on pedophiles hiding in the clergy and still UP a massive 6.1%

I see the atheist attack seems to have gone quiet on that one. Hmm. Wonder why?

(Probably because of the blowback once people started hearing stories that theres tons of ATHEISTS hiding in the clergy pretending to be priests.)
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12-02-2013, 06:55 PM (This post was last modified: 12-02-2013 07:01 PM by Lion IRC.)
RE: Real Reasons for Ratzinger's Retirement
Pentecostal/Evangelical denominations up 8.4% from 2006. (That would include folk like William Lane Craig who is visiting Aust in August this year.)

Islam/Muslims up a massive 39.9% from 2006 (wonder if they support gay marriage?)

Hindus up a massive 26.3% from 2006 (oh my gods!!!! How can you debunk that many?)
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12-02-2013, 07:12 PM (This post was last modified: 12-02-2013 07:35 PM by Mark Fulton.)
RE: Real Reasons for Ratzinger's Retirement
(12-02-2013 06:50 PM)Lion IRC Wrote:  
(12-02-2013 12:12 AM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  AH! Now I know what IRC stands for.

Insipid Roman Catholic.

I was going to reply to you with some facts, but remembered you're not interested in facts.

For those who are...
http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/...enDocument


Facts. Sure. Why not?

The number of Catholics in .au increased by 6.1% between the 2006 Census and the 2011 Census

http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/...E2%80%9310
http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/...02012-2013

Up 6.1% WOW!

Even after that relentless attack on pedophiles hiding in the clergy and still UP a massive 6.1%

I see the atheist attack seems to have gone quiet on that one. Hmm. Wonder why?

(Probably because of the blowback once people started hearing stories that theres tons of ATHEISTS hiding in the clergy pretending to be priests.)






Your links don't work. Here are the stats from the Australian government website, although I can't find 2011...perhaps you could post.

One can hardly claim Catholicism is growing. Only 1 in 6 of these catholics go to church, so, really catholicism is becoming irrelevant to the vast majority of people in Australia. I should know...I live here.

PS Oops...I can't paste them. Please update your links so everyone can see the facts.

PPS. this http://www.eurekastreet.com.au/article.aspx?aeid=25280 gives us more of a realistic picture
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12-02-2013, 07:21 PM
RE: Real Reasons for Ratzinger's Retirement
Ex-Catholic is one of the largest groups in the US.
http://www.pewforum.org/Faith-in-Flux(3).aspx
1 in 10 Americans is an ex-Catholic.

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12-02-2013, 11:36 PM
RE: Real Reasons for Ratzinger's Retirement
(12-02-2013 06:50 PM)Lion IRC Wrote:  
(12-02-2013 12:12 AM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  AH! Now I know what IRC stands for.

Insipid Roman Catholic.

I was going to reply to you with some facts, but remembered you're not interested in facts.

For those who are...
http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/...enDocument



Facts. Sure. Why not?

The number of Catholics in .au increased by 6.1% between the 2006 Census and the 2011 Census

http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/...E2%80%9310
http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/...02012-2013

Up 6.1% WOW!

Even after that relentless attack on pedophiles hiding in the clergy and still UP a massive 6.1%

I see the atheist attack seems to have gone quiet on that one. Hmm. Wonder why?

(Probably because of the blowback once people started hearing stories that theres tons of ATHEISTS hiding in the clergy pretending to be priests.)

I haven't gone quiet. See http://www.markfulton.org/child-abuse-in...lic-church
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13-02-2013, 02:08 AM
RE: Real Reasons for Ratzinger's Retirement
So my second question was whether or not he had named a Camerlengo, (the guy who is in charge during the "sede vacante' - "empty chair"). Well, well. It just happens to be Cardinal Bertone. Yup the notorious Tarcisio Bertone, who, I see, finally has what he always wanted, however temporarily. Total control. He was/is one of the faction leaders who was causing so much internal turmoil. Interesting. He was the main target of the Vatileaks stuff in the Italian press. Not a good sign.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...clear.html

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13-02-2013, 02:30 AM
RE: Real Reasons for Ratzinger's Retirement
(12-02-2013 06:50 PM)Lion IRC Wrote:  ...
The number of Catholics in .au increased by 6.1% between the 2006 Census and the 2011 Census
...

So from 1000 people to 1061 in five years.

Given that babies in that cult get labelled from birth, the figure seems remarkably low.

It implies that 500 couples only had 61 babies in that five year period.

Maybe they've started wearing condoms.

Consider

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13-02-2013, 02:43 AM
RE: Real Reasons for Ratzinger's Retirement
(11-02-2013 06:32 PM)Lion IRC Wrote:  
(11-02-2013 04:12 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  He's going. First one to retire "voluntarily" in 600 years. Why? Here are some possibilities.

1. He's being pushed off the perch because he's so incredibly incompetent. Why did it take them so long to work that out? Yet even his prepared speeches (written and checked over by those in the system) were abysmal, and totally out of touch with the 21st century. His letter to Catholic Ireland is a classic example.

Only voluntary resignations are permitted under church rules.

(11-02-2013 04:12 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  2. There's a serious scandal (another one) about to be made public, and he's in the middle of it.

He's the Pope. Of COURSE he's going to be in the middle of it! Thats his job. He is where the buck stops in the RCC.
No Pope can say....oh well, that major scandal has nothing to do with me.

(11-02-2013 04:12 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  3. Catholics in the developed world are leaving the church in their millions, and the flow of cash is compromised, so it's time for some serious pr work, and he's not the man.

False. Catholic numbers are increasing. Eg. In Australia.

(11-02-2013 04:12 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  4. He's getting older and more out of touch. That didn't stop all the others hanging on.

Yep. People get old and die. Well spotted! Excellent theory! I wonder if all those other Popes who died in office expected to do so.
Death has a funny way of catching people by surprise.

(11-02-2013 04:12 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  5. He, himself, is frightened of being knocked off (ie murdered). If that sounds far fetched, read up about the last 2 pope's deaths. You don't die in a hospital if you're a pope.

Yeah. That sounds far-fetched. But hey, I dont expect you to be an evidence-based, rational atheist 24/7.
Enjoy your wacky, imaginative conspiracy theory. You could even send a movie script to Hollywood Thumbsup

(11-02-2013 04:12 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  In a way, I'm disappointed he's going. The Vatican was dying. The really serious shit was, at some time soon, in the next few years, going to hit the fan, and I think the power and prestige of the Vatican would have been seriously compromised. They will get someone in charge who's more in touch and likeable...

Yeah. Being likeable. That will do it. Tons of people go for style over substance.
Team Atheism needs more friendly likeable folk too IMHO.
Nothing like a few jokes, a great big smile and lovely white teeth to win over the skeptics.

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13-02-2013, 02:54 AM (This post was last modified: 13-02-2013 02:59 AM by Mark Fulton.)
RE: Real Reasons for Ratzinger's Retirement
(13-02-2013 02:30 AM)DLJ Wrote:  
(12-02-2013 06:50 PM)Lion IRC Wrote:  ...
The number of Catholics in .au increased by 6.1% between the 2006 Census and the 2011 Census
...

So from 1000 people to 1061 in five years.

Given that babies in that cult get labelled from birth, the figure seems remarkably low.

It implies that 500 couples only had 61 babies in that five year period.

Maybe they've started wearing condoms.

Consider
I can't find the 2011 figures, and our mate hasn't given us a link. But between 1971 and 2001, the number calling themselves catholic, as a percentage of the population, didn't change.

I can also assure you that Catholicism is very much "on the nose" here in Australia. There is a current royal commission into child sexual abuse, our only cardinal is considered a fossil and a fool. The church is importing priests from overseas
because of a lack of interest in the job from locals.
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13-02-2013, 03:04 AM
RE: Real Reasons for Ratzinger's Retirement
(13-02-2013 02:08 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  So my second question was whether or not he had named a Camerlengo, (the guy who is in charge during the "sede vacante' - "empty chair"). Well, well. It just happens to be Cardinal Bertone. Yup the notorious Tarcisio Bertone, who, I see, finally has what he always wanted, however temporarily. Total control. He was/is one of the faction leaders who was causing so much internal turmoil. Interesting. He was the main target of the Vatileaks stuff in the Italian press. Not a good sign.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...clear.html
A dodgy character. I hope he's as backward and useless as Ratty, and he gets elected. That may sound odd, but no matter who's in charge they'll be promoting toxic dogma to kids. That's why I hope they self destruct.
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