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27-02-2013, 05:24 PM (This post was last modified: 27-02-2013 05:33 PM by ChuckTesta.)
Recent "Debate" between myself and a nutcase
Guy) Ben, if your really interested in the topic of evolution vs creationism
their are many books that give ample evidence in favor of creation. I
would suggest investigating the topic on your own. I doubt I can present
enough evidence in this platform to convince you either way.
Now, if
you think did God created the world and some how evolution is part of
that creation than you must realize that contradicts His Word.
I ask you, explain what exactly u do believe?

Me) I don't believe their is a God I am not claiming that I can prove this Idea

Guy)

Interesting. I believe their is a God. I am claiming that there is more evidence God is, then there is He is not real.
I would say you have more faith in their being no God. Than I have in Him being exactly who the Bible says He is.
Think about that, lol

Me

Ok what evidence?
lol
And yes that atheist have more faith than Christians is not a new joke I have heard it before


Guy) It's superfluous for me to try and convince you that God exists because
that isn't accomplishing much. Knowing and receiving Jesus Christ is
what accomplishes something. We don't know him intellectually but
through our born again human spirit. So mental assenting to the
existence of the God of the bible isn't much of an accomplishment. That
might be a step in the right direction I guess.
But in the end you
will believe what and who you want. All I can testify to is what I know
to be true. If there is no God, I am not the person I am today. I would
be a terribly selfish individual without any regard for any human life.
Nor do I believe anyone else would. Humans wouldn't be anything more
than savage dogs. Which is a popular opinion in the world already. There
would be total anarchy.
You sat under the same teaching as me, a
lot longer too. If you weren't convinced then, I don't what would
convince you. But If Gods Word is true, Train up a child in the way he
should go, Even when he is old he will not depart from it. (Proverbs
22:6 NASB)
It doesn't say when he is young. I will trust that Word
and be glad to welcome you back, hopefully you won't be too old. Now
that's faith even greater than an atheist's.

Me)

So you're saying the only thing keeping you from murdering people stealing ect is you're feer of God?
*Fear

Guy) Nope. There is no fear in love. I reverence God. I honor Him. I realize His awesomeness and power.
I'm
saying if there was no God there would be no consciousness of right and
wrong. From my earliest childhood memory I knew right from wrong. Even
though it wasn't told to me that a certain activity was wrong to do, I
knew it instinctively. I just knew, even before I was taught from the
bible. I had a consciousness that there was a God and He would not
approve of my behavior. I didn't know Him then but I feared a judgement
of my current actions. When I heard the gospel, that there was I way to
know Him and that came through Jesus paying the price for my sin I
responded in faith, believing the testimony of Jesus.

Me)

And you are
stating that the proof leans towards creation? I'm just asking you to
show such proof otherwise you're just making statements based on what
you believe
It
still comes back to you're comment on my page that the evidence leads
to God if you are just going to say its all experience then that's not
proof
or even evidence

Guy) For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and
sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible
qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse
for not knowing God. (Romans 1:20 NLT) thats what Philip Delre is
getting at in his book. The proof is creation. This isn't a chess match.
I don't need to win this argument. I believe in something. Whether you
do or not is on you. If I were you I would be in constant search of
truth. But if there is no God, what can be true or false, right or
wrong. It's all relative.
I would search it out for yourself. I
can't of my own ability or intellect convince you of anything. The Holy
Spirit reveals the knowledge of God to your heart. If you reject it or
allow satan to come and steal the word from you it's on you. My hands
are clean. You have been taught the way and have at this time rejected
Him.

Me) Joel I'm not trying to be mean here at all but I think you need serious
help and simply saying that the earth is our evidence is the stupidest
comment I have ever heard

Guy) Well I won't argue with Gods Word. It was a good enough example for the Apostle Paul.

Me) So you actualy have no evidence at all its just the way you see the world through the bible?

Guy) What's your evidence that there is no God?

Me)

You're lack of
evidence
I
am not stating that their is no G because I cant prove that but to
simply throw God into the world when a lot of things can be explained
without God makes no sense have you heard of ocams razor?
*God

Guy) I have not heard of ocams razor.

Me) Look it up

Guy) haha

Me) Its really not funny.



So I guess I am looking for some friends on fb cause almost all my friends on their are just as nutty as this guy.
This is his comment on my status
For the fool who believes it is true it means there are no consequences for the foolish actions he commits. There's no real accomplished mind that even entertains it being remotely true. There is too much evidence to contradict the theory.
Most scientists now believe in intelligent design. Which is why new religions like Scientology are gaining in popularity, not to mention movies like Prometheus promoting its ideals.


And now the comment of his wife

Well why did we all the sudden stop evolving? If you are thinking about evolution, then why haven't we started sprouting new arms and another eye? I mean evolution makes no sense at all. I think that maybe you just need to find your way in the world, but don't forget that God loves you no matter what and His heart is breaking right now for you. Ill be praying for you Ben even if you don't want me to!

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27-02-2013, 05:57 PM
RE: Recent "Debate" between myself and a nutcase
(27-02-2013 05:24 PM)ChuckTesta Wrote:  Guy) Ben, if your really interested in the topic of evolution vs creationism
their are many books that give ample evidence in favor of creation. I
would suggest investigating the topic on your own. I doubt I can present
enough evidence in this platform to convince you either way.
Now, if
you think did God created the world and some how evolution is part of
that creation than you must realize that contradicts His Word.
I ask you, explain what exactly u do believe?

Me) I don't believe their is a God I am not claiming that I can prove this Idea

Guy)

Interesting. I believe their is a God. I am claiming that there is more evidence God is, then there is He is not real.
I would say you have more faith in their being no God. Than I have in Him being exactly who the Bible says He is.
Think about that, lol

Me

Ok what evidence?
lol
And yes that atheist have more faith than Christians is not a new joke I have heard it before


Guy) It's superfluous for me to try and convince you that God exists because
that isn't accomplishing much. Knowing and receiving Jesus Christ is
what accomplishes something. We don't know him intellectually but
through our born again human spirit. So mental assenting to the
existence of the God of the bible isn't much of an accomplishment. That
might be a step in the right direction I guess.
But in the end you
will believe what and who you want. All I can testify to is what I know
to be true. If there is no God, I am not the person I am today. I would
be a terribly selfish individual without any regard for any human life.
Nor do I believe anyone else would. Humans wouldn't be anything more
than savage dogs. Which is a popular opinion in the world already. There
would be total anarchy.
You sat under the same teaching as me, a
lot longer too. If you weren't convinced then, I don't what would
convince you. But If Gods Word is true, Train up a child in the way he
should go, Even when he is old he will not depart from it. (Proverbs
22:6 NASB)
It doesn't say when he is young. I will trust that Word
and be glad to welcome you back, hopefully you won't be too old. Now
that's faith even greater than an atheist's.

Me)

So you're saying the only thing keeping you from murdering people stealing ect is you're feer of God?
*Fear

Guy) Nope. There is no fear in love. I reverence God. I honor Him. I realize His awesomeness and power.
I'm
saying if there was no God there would be no consciousness of right and
wrong. From my earliest childhood memory I knew right from wrong. Even
though it wasn't told to me that a certain activity was wrong to do, I
knew it instinctively. I just knew, even before I was taught from the
bible. I had a consciousness that there was a God and He would not
approve of my behavior. I didn't know Him then but I feared a judgement
of my current actions. When I heard the gospel, that there was I way to
know Him and that came through Jesus paying the price for my sin I
responded in faith, believing the testimony of Jesus.

Me)

And you are
stating that the proof leans towards creation? I'm just asking you to
show such proof otherwise you're just making statements based on what
you believe
It
still comes back to you're comment on my page that the evidence leads
to God if you are just going to say its all experience then that's not
proof
or even evidence

Guy) For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and
sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible
qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse
for not knowing God. (Romans 1:20 NLT) thats what Philip Delre is
getting at in his book. The proof is creation. This isn't a chess match.
I don't need to win this argument. I believe in something. Whether you
do or not is on you. If I were you I would be in constant search of
truth. But if there is no God, what can be true or false, right or
wrong. It's all relative.
I would search it out for yourself. I
can't of my own ability or intellect convince you of anything. The Holy
Spirit reveals the knowledge of God to your heart. If you reject it or
allow satan to come and steal the word from you it's on you. My hands
are clean. You have been taught the way and have at this time rejected
Him.

Me) Joel I'm not trying to be mean here at all but I think you need serious
help and simply saying that the earth is our evidence is the stupidest
comment I have ever heard

Guy) Well I won't argue with Gods Word. It was a good enough example for the Apostle Paul.

Me) So you actualy have no evidence at all its just the way you see the world through the bible?

Guy) What's your evidence that there is no God?

Me)

You're lack of
evidence
I
am not stating that their is no G because I cant prove that but to
simply throw God into the world when a lot of things can be explained
without God makes no sense have you heard of ocams razor?
*God

Guy) I have not heard of ocams razor.

Me) Look it up

Guy) haha

Me) Its really not funny.



So I guess I am looking for some friends on fb cause almost all my friends on their are just as nutty as this guy.
This is his comment on my status
For the fool who believes it is true it means there are no consequences for the foolish actions he commits. There's no real accomplished mind that even entertains it being remotely true. There is too much evidence to contradict the theory.
Most scientists now believe in intelligent design. Which is why new religions like Scientology are gaining in popularity, not to mention movies like Prometheus promoting its ideals.


And now the comment of his wife

Well why did we all the sudden stop evolving? If you are thinking about evolution, then why haven't we started sprouting new arms and another eye? I mean evolution makes no sense at all. I think that maybe you just need to find your way in the world, but don't forget that God loves you no matter what and His heart is breaking right now for you. Ill be praying for you Ben even if you don't want me to!
Hi Ben,

you're talking to some very simple folk on that forum. You'll get a higher standard of conversation here.
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27-02-2013, 06:13 PM
RE: Recent "Debate" between myself and a nutcase
(27-02-2013 05:57 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  
(27-02-2013 05:24 PM)ChuckTesta Wrote:  Guy) Ben, if your really interested in the topic of evolution vs creationism

their are many books that give ample evidence in favor of creation. I

would suggest investigating the topic on your own. I doubt I can present

enough evidence in this platform to convince you either way.

Now, if

you think did God created the world and some how evolution is part of

that creation than you must realize that contradicts His Word.

I ask you, explain what exactly u do believe?



Me) I don't believe their is a God I am not claiming that I can prove this Idea



Guy)



Interesting. I believe their is a God. I am claiming that there is more evidence God is, then there is He is not real.

I would say you have more faith in their being no God. Than I have in Him being exactly who the Bible says He is.

Think about that, lol



Me



Ok what evidence?

lol

And yes that atheist have more faith than Christians is not a new joke I have heard it before





Guy) It's superfluous for me to try and convince you that God exists because

that isn't accomplishing much. Knowing and receiving Jesus Christ is

what accomplishes something. We don't know him intellectually but

through our born again human spirit. So mental assenting to the

existence of the God of the bible isn't much of an accomplishment. That

might be a step in the right direction I guess.

But in the end you

will believe what and who you want. All I can testify to is what I know

to be true. If there is no God, I am not the person I am today. I would

be a terribly selfish individual without any regard for any human life.

Nor do I believe anyone else would. Humans wouldn't be anything more

than savage dogs. Which is a popular opinion in the world already. There

would be total anarchy.

You sat under the same teaching as me, a

lot longer too. If you weren't convinced then, I don't what would

convince you. But If Gods Word is true, Train up a child in the way he

should go, Even when he is old he will not depart from it. (Proverbs

22:6 NASB)

It doesn't say when he is young. I will trust that Word

and be glad to welcome you back, hopefully you won't be too old. Now

that's faith even greater than an atheist's.



Me)



So you're saying the only thing keeping you from murdering people stealing ect is you're feer of God?

*Fear



Guy) Nope. There is no fear in love. I reverence God. I honor Him. I realize His awesomeness and power.

I'm

saying if there was no God there would be no consciousness of right and

wrong. From my earliest childhood memory I knew right from wrong. Even

though it wasn't told to me that a certain activity was wrong to do, I

knew it instinctively. I just knew, even before I was taught from the

bible. I had a consciousness that there was a God and He would not

approve of my behavior. I didn't know Him then but I feared a judgement

of my current actions. When I heard the gospel, that there was I way to

know Him and that came through Jesus paying the price for my sin I

responded in faith, believing the testimony of Jesus.



Me)



And you are

stating that the proof leans towards creation? I'm just asking you to

show such proof otherwise you're just making statements based on what

you believe

It

still comes back to you're comment on my page that the evidence leads

to God if you are just going to say its all experience then that's not

proof

or even evidence



Guy) For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and

sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible

qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse

for not knowing God. (Romans 1:20 NLT) thats what Philip Delre is

getting at in his book. The proof is creation. This isn't a chess match.

I don't need to win this argument. I believe in something. Whether you

do or not is on you. If I were you I would be in constant search of

truth. But if there is no God, what can be true or false, right or

wrong. It's all relative.

I would search it out for yourself. I

can't of my own ability or intellect convince you of anything. The Holy

Spirit reveals the knowledge of God to your heart. If you reject it or

allow satan to come and steal the word from you it's on you. My hands

are clean. You have been taught the way and have at this time rejected

Him.



Me) Joel I'm not trying to be mean here at all but I think you need serious

help and simply saying that the earth is our evidence is the stupidest

comment I have ever heard



Guy) Well I won't argue with Gods Word. It was a good enough example for the Apostle Paul.



Me) So you actualy have no evidence at all its just the way you see the world through the bible?



Guy) What's your evidence that there is no God?



Me)



You're lack of

evidence

I

am not stating that their is no G because I cant prove that but to

simply throw God into the world when a lot of things can be explained

without God makes no sense have you heard of ocams razor?

*God



Guy) I have not heard of ocams razor.



Me) Look it up



Guy) haha



Me) Its really not funny.







So I guess I am looking for some friends on fb cause almost all my friends on their are just as nutty as this guy.

This is his comment on my status

For the fool who believes it is true it means there are no consequences for the foolish actions he commits. There's no real accomplished mind that even entertains it being remotely true. There is too much evidence to contradict the theory.

Most scientists now believe in intelligent design. Which is why new religions like Scientology are gaining in popularity, not to mention movies like Prometheus promoting its ideals.





And now the comment of his wife



Well why did we all the sudden stop evolving? If you are thinking about evolution, then why haven't we started sprouting new arms and another eye? I mean evolution makes no sense at all. I think that maybe you just need to find your way in the world, but don't forget that God loves you no matter what and His heart is breaking right now for you. Ill be praying for you Ben even if you don't want me to!
Hi Ben,



you're talking to some very simple folk on that forum. You'll get a higher standard of conversation here.

Its my fb page and I have known this guy for around 3 years and always though he was weird.

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27-02-2013, 07:24 PM
RE: Recent "Debate" between myself and a nutcase
Remove him and his wife from your fb.
That's insane

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27-02-2013, 07:49 PM
RE: Recent "Debate" between myself and a nutcase
(27-02-2013 05:24 PM)ChuckTesta Wrote:  Well why did we all the sudden stop evolving? If you are thinking about evolution, then why haven't we started sprouting new arms and another eye? I mean evolution makes no sense at all. I think that maybe you just need to find your way in the world, but don't forget that God loves you no matter what and His heart is breaking right now for you. Ill be praying for you Ben even if you don't want me to!

This amazes me every time. Trying to say evolution makes no sense when she clearly doesn't understand it in the slightest. If you haven't already deleted her I recommend telling her to figure out what evolution is.

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27-02-2013, 08:07 PM
RE: Recent "Debate" between myself and a nutcase
To be honest I think its fun talking to these people about evolution oh but another friend (Who I like) sent me some things.


Alright
lets think about what evolution implies. The theory of evolution states
that we are all evolved out from some kind of soup for absolutely no
reason and that we are just evolved animals wandering around the earth.
We have no purpose, no future, nothing
to look forward to, nothing to live for except pleasure and "the now",
no consequence for anything that we do since there is nothing higher to
judge us, and no point in living a good life because there is no
afterlife.Christianity, which believes in intelligent design, believes
that an all-powerful God created us in His image, special and apart from
the animals. Because of this, there is a purpose to life, to live for
him, there is a future, that is eternal life for those who believe, and
consequences for sin. Christians live their lives with a clear purpose
and goal in mind. Evolution degrades humanity to absolutely nothing,
making life pointless. This is a main reason why there is so much
suicide in schools today. When kids are presented with a theory which
tells them that they are like dirt, absolutely worthless and pointless,
then there is no reason to try to succeed or to fight through difficult
times. As for your statistics and your list of scientists, just because a
large group of intelligent people believe in something does not make it
true. For instance, for the longest time, scientists believes that the
world was flat. These were the smartest men in the world. Eventually, we
proved them wrong. Mr. Lewis is right. There is absolutely ZERO
evidence for the theory of evolution. In fact, there a ton of holes in
the theory. If you want to discuss the theory of evolution versus
intelligent design, then lets do it.

How would you respond to this?

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27-02-2013, 08:23 PM (This post was last modified: 27-02-2013 08:28 PM by Adenosis.)
RE: Recent "Debate" between myself and a nutcase
"Liking your interpretation of one side more than the other doesn't have any bearing on what is true. Evolution is not true because of all the scientists that claim it is, it is true because of the mountains of evidence in support of it. Evolution has more of a variety of evidence to support it than any other theory in science that I am aware of. Genetic evidence, Fossil evidence, embryology, ring species. Things like how whales have bones where you would expect hind legs, this is because whales were once land mammals. Like how the giraffe has a nerve that goes from the brain, down around the heart, all the way back up the neck to the head, they evolved from mammals with short necks.

How do you suppose we determined the earth was round? Observation. A key aspect of the scientific method. How did Galileo determine the earth went around the sun and not the other way around? Observation (a bit more than just observation but you get the idea).

None of the knowledge we hold today has come from a holy book, such as the bible. The bible itself makes the earth out to be flat with four corners. So don't even try to give religion credit for something a brilliant man did with use of the scientific method. Him being religious did not result in his discovery, as a matter of fact the church hated him for the sun centered model of our solar system."

That's what I would say.

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27-02-2013, 08:59 PM
RE: Recent "Debate" between myself and a nutcase
(27-02-2013 08:07 PM)ChuckTesta Wrote:  To be honest I think its fun talking to these people about evolution oh but another friend (Who I like) sent me some things.


Alright
lets think about what evolution implies. The theory of evolution states
that we are all evolved out from some kind of soup for absolutely no
reason and that we are just evolved animals wandering around the earth.
We have no purpose, no future, nothing
to look forward to, nothing to live for except pleasure and "the now",
no consequence for anything that we do since there is nothing higher to
judge us, and no point in living a good life because there is no
afterlife.Christianity, which believes in intelligent design, believes
that an all-powerful God created us in His image, special and apart from
the animals. Because of this, there is a purpose to life, to live for
him, there is a future, that is eternal life for those who believe, and
consequences for sin. Christians live their lives with a clear purpose
and goal in mind. Evolution degrades humanity to absolutely nothing,
making life pointless. This is a main reason why there is so much
suicide in schools today. When kids are presented with a theory which
tells them that they are like dirt, absolutely worthless and pointless,
then there is no reason to try to succeed or to fight through difficult
times. As for your statistics and your list of scientists, just because a
large group of intelligent people believe in something does not make it
true. For instance, for the longest time, scientists believes that the
world was flat. These were the smartest men in the world. Eventually, we
proved them wrong. Mr. Lewis is right. There is absolutely ZERO
evidence for the theory of evolution. In fact, there a ton of holes in
the theory. If you want to discuss the theory of evolution versus
intelligent design, then lets do it.

How would you respond to this?


I would say "Everything you think you know about evolution is completely ass backwards. It is incorrect, false, not true, doesn't contain an iota of rational thought. It would be a waste of my time attempting to educate you because you can't be educated. You already think you know the answers.

There are 6 billion + pieces of evidence for evolution if you simply count all the human beings on earth.
Add in all of the DNA, the RNA, the proteins, viruses, bacteria, plants, sea life, fossils, etc
All life on earth past and present is evidence of evolution.
I can't help you understand it. I can't. You are beyond help.

I could show you an entire library dedicated to evolution and how scientists, medical professionals, research biologists use the practical tools that evolution so clearly demonstrates, but it would do no good.
Your mind is set. I can't undo that. I pity you."

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27-02-2013, 11:08 PM (This post was last modified: 28-02-2013 07:56 AM by EvolutionKills.)
RE: Recent "Debate" between myself and a nutcase
(27-02-2013 08:07 PM)ChuckTesta Wrote:  To be honest I think its fun talking to these people about evolution oh but another friend (Who I like) sent me some things.


Alright
lets think about what evolution implies. The theory of evolution states
that we are all evolved out from some kind of soup for absolutely no
reason and that we are just evolved animals wandering around the earth.
We have no purpose, no future, nothing
to look forward to, nothing to live for except pleasure and "the now",
no consequence for anything that we do since there is nothing higher to
judge us, and no point in living a good life because there is no
afterlife.Christianity, which believes in intelligent design, believes
that an all-powerful God created us in His image, special and apart from
the animals. Because of this, there is a purpose to life, to live for
him, there is a future, that is eternal life for those who believe, and
consequences for sin. Christians live their lives with a clear purpose
and goal in mind. Evolution degrades humanity to absolutely nothing,
making life pointless. This is a main reason why there is so much
suicide in schools today. When kids are presented with a theory which
tells them that they are like dirt, absolutely worthless and pointless,
then there is no reason to try to succeed or to fight through difficult
times. As for your statistics and your list of scientists, just because a
large group of intelligent people believe in something does not make it
true. For instance, for the longest time, scientists believes that the
world was flat. These were the smartest men in the world. Eventually, we
proved them wrong. Mr. Lewis is right. There is absolutely ZERO
evidence for the theory of evolution. In fact, there a ton of holes in
the theory. If you want to discuss the theory of evolution versus
intelligent design, then lets do it.

How would you respond to this?



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Quote:Alright
lets think about what evolution implies. The theory of evolution states
that we are all evolved out from some kind of soup for absolutely no
reason and that we are just evolved animals wandering around the earth.

We are animals, so you got that part right. If you look up the definition of animals, you will see we are in fact animals.

Animal
noun
1. any member of the kingdom Animalia, comprising multicellular organisms that have a well-defined shape and usually limited growth, can move voluntarily, actively acquire food and digest it internally, and have sensory and nervous systems that allow them to respond rapidly to stimuli: some classification schemes also include protozoa and certain other single-celled eukaryotes that have motility and animallike nutritional modes.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/animal



Quote:We have no purpose, no future, nothing
to look forward to, nothing to live for except pleasure and "the now",
no consequence for anything that we do since there is nothing higher to
judge us, and no point in living a good life because there is no
afterlife.

We have no purpose but what we give ourselves. Some people care nothing for anyone but themselves, and some of these people have been explicitly religious. Some have found purpose in helping others and improving our world for the future, and they have not all been exclusively religious either. So you find meaning in your Scripture, many other people find meaning in other faiths, and still many others find meaning without any faith at all. We are responsible to our fellow man, to our fellow animals, and to the planet. Those who don't believe in a god have no excuse to not do anything, because we don't believe that a 'higher-power' will settle the scores and make everything better for us after we die. This forces us to live in the here and now, with eyes facing forward, and taking full responsibility for our own actions (or lack thereof).



Quote:Christianity, which believes in intelligent design, believes
that an all-powerful God created us in His image, special and apart from
the animals.

So your all-seeing, all-knowing, all-powerful god has a body like ours? If he is omniscient, then why would he have two forward facing eyes that perceive light with a fixed focal angle? Why would your god have lungs designed to help metabolize oxygen through transfer with hemoglobin? Does your god also have a useless appendix prone to dangerous ruptures? Did he also design cancer and viruses? For an 'intelligent designer', your god appears to have built us with any number of flaws. We can explain flaws and redundancy with evolution, we should expect better from the creator of the universe.



Quote: Because of this, there is a purpose to life, to live for
him, there is a future, that is eternal life for those who believe, and
consequences for sin. Christians live their lives with a clear purpose
and goal in mind.

Sin has no relation to morality or ethics, sin is simply following your god's will. It's a sin to work on the sabbath, and god will kill you for it. Or at least it says so in the books you claim to follow. So you have found purpose in blindly following whatever your preferred religion has cherry picked for you on Sundays, I've actually read the whole Bible myself and reject it on it's own grounds. And what clear purpose and goal does Christianity automatically bestow upon all Christians? I'd wager that if you asked 10 different Christians, from 10 different denominations, you'd get 10 different answers. Has there ever been a more divisive book in all of human history than the Bible? I would argue that there is not. Also, religious 'purpose' does nothing to disprove evolutionary theory.



Quote:Evolution degrades humanity to absolutely nothing,
making life pointless. This is a main reason why there is so much
suicide in schools today. When kids are presented with a theory which
tells them that they are like dirt, absolutely worthless and pointless,
then there is no reason to try to succeed or to fight through difficult
times.

Not at all, evolution is a scientific theory that explains biodiversity, and allows us to explain the life we see around us without having to say 'god did it'. That is what many indoctrinated into religion find the concept so frightening, that god simply is not needed to explain how and why life currently exists on the planet. That was something that people used to credit to god, and that's what you don't like; that god no longer gets credit for explaining our ignorance because we are far less ignorant today than we where when those holy books were written.

Evolution doesn't tell kids they are like dirt, it merely explains that we too are animals, cousins to every other living thing on this planet. And since we have evolved to the point where we have such unprecedented control over the state of our planet, we share a responsibility to it and the rest of life, to leave the planet better than when we found it. We have to, or else we will doom our descendants; because a god is not going to come out of the sky and fix everything for us if we a negligent in our responsibility. This gives us every reason to fight and succeed through trying times. You are the product of 4.6 million years of evolutionary success, start acting like it.



Quote:As for your statistics and your list of scientists, just because a
large group of intelligent people believe in something does not make it
true. For instance, for the longest time, scientists believes that the
world was flat. These were the smartest men in the world. Eventually, we
proved them wrong.

You are right, the number of people believing in X does not make X true (remember that this also applies to your god, yes 3 billion Christians CAN be wrong). However in the case of evolution, the massive and overwhelming scientific majority supports it because it is the most well supported theory in modern science. We have more evidence in support of evolution than we do for germ theory (even with modern medicine), atomic theory (even with nuclear weapons and power-plants), and the theory of gravity (even though we can shoot a probe out to Neptune and have it arrive over a decade later within 1 second of it's estimated arrival time).

The fact that the world was round, and that we had reasonable accurate measurements for both the Earth's circumference and axial tilt, existed almost 300 years before Jesus Christ was supposedly born (look up Eratosthenes). This, along with a sun-centered view of our solar system, was actively suppressed by those with religious authority. Religion has a long and terrible history of dragging humanity into the darkness of ignorance; and beating, killing, and burning people that tried to escape into the light of knowledge. 'You' do not get to count those scientific discoveries for 'your' side of the ledger.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes



Quote:Mr. Lewis is right. There is absolutely ZERO
evidence for the theory of evolution.

Absolutely false, and a terribly egregious breach of your own 9th Commandment. Not the actual 9'th Commandment, I mean the 9'th Commandment everybody seems so fond of displaying in secular courthouses and public buildings. The one about 'not bearing false witness', not the 'Bring the best of the firstfruits of your soil to the house of the LORD your God.' one. Don't believe me? Look up Exodus 34: 14-27 for the only set of ten 'commandments' that were actually written on stone tablets.



Quote:In fact, there a ton of holes in
the theory. If you want to discuss the theory of evolution versus
intelligent design, then lets do it.

That you would utter such a banal sentence shows that you do not have the knowledge to even hope to have such a discussion. Your understanding of evolution is woefully inadequate and terribly flawed. You would first need to deprogram yourself from all of your 'gotcha' questions you think are so smart that you learned in church. Then you need to read a simple introductory book designed for laypeople, such as 'The Greatest Show on Earth' by Richard Dawkins. After you've read that, if you still have questions, THEN we can talk about those. Good luck with that, because seeing as how you've most likely never read the entire Bible on your own, what chance is there that you're going to read a book on science by a actual scientist? Slim and none I'd say...

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Wow thanks man that's really helpful

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