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04-10-2011, 09:34 AM
 
Recent Human Evolution
This article uses a small town in Canada to study the possibility of continued evolution in humans. They show this using church records! Anyone else get a giggle about the church being used to further prove evolution?

Also, there is a Yeti hunt going on. I wonder how long they can deny evolution if we find living examples of our ancestors?
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07-10-2011, 01:59 AM
RE: Recent Human Evolution
A Yeti hunt? They found some primitive huts? What? So the Yeti is not a crazy theory, it could be for real?

Me confused...

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07-10-2011, 11:03 AM
RE: Recent Human Evolution
(04-10-2011 09:34 AM)Kittentamer Wrote:  This article uses a small town in Canada to study the possibility of continued evolution in humans. They show this using church records! Anyone else get a giggle about the church being used to further prove evolution?


Quote:Though ongoing human evolution is difficult to see, researchers believe they’ve found signs of rapid genetic changes among the recent residents of a small Canadian town.

Between 1800 and 1940, mothers in Ile aux Coudres, Quebec gave birth at steadily younger ages, with the average age of first maternity dropping from 26 to 22. Increased fertility, and thus larger families, could have been especially useful in the rural settlement’s early history.

This also supports what the Bible teaches. If you read the first part of Genesis you will find that people normally lived several hundred years. As time has passed the normal human lifespan has decreased. This is one of the effects that sin has had on the human race. If women are giving birth at an earlier age it could be a sign that the process of maturing and aging is still speeding up and this means that the process of shortening the human lifespan is still continuing.

I am aware of the fact that in recent years people have been living longer that they did in the past but that is because advances in medicine and nutrition have meant that fewer people are dying prematurely but are living out their full lifespan. But no matter what medical advances we make all people reach a point where there bodies are so worn out that they can't continue to function any longer.

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07-10-2011, 11:09 AM
RE: Recent Human Evolution
What proof, other than a single book, do you have to prove that at any time in history humans have exceeded an average lifespan greater than that of today? This is an unsubstantiated claim from a book that we do not accept as fact, so if you want to make these claims you need to present evidence outside of it. And people are living longer because we have improved our standards of living, but this is a sign of decreasing life span? Not only is that a stretch but that is also an unsubstantiated claim. Provide evidence to support that, and a thought experiment does not count.

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07-10-2011, 11:37 AM
 
RE: Recent Human Evolution
A list of reasons women might be giving birth at a younger age (that doesn't require unsubstantiated claims brokered by mythology)
1) Social pressure
2) Improved socio-economic status
3) Their mother had a baby at 32 so what's wrong with having a baby at 28? She had her baby at 28 so I guess it's okay to have my baby at 25. Etc, etc.
4) People totally used to live up to 700 years

Oh, wait. Strike that last one. That last one is ridiculous and highly improbable Big Grin

Edit: And in the grand tradition of admitting mistakes, upon reading the article again they of course state that it is highly unlikely the changes have been caused by changing culture. For the record though, however unlikely it is that the changes are caused by culture or environment, it is still far more likely than the unfounded assumption that people used to live for 700 years.
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07-10-2011, 07:48 PM
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Let the trolling begin Theo!!!

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07-10-2011, 09:15 PM
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(07-10-2011 11:09 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  What proof, other than a single book, do you have to prove that at any time in history humans have exceeded an average lifespan greater than that of today? This is an unsubstantiated claim from a book that we do not accept as fact, so if you want to make these claims you need to present evidence outside of it. And people are living longer because we have improved our standards of living, but this is a sign of decreasing life span? Not only is that a stretch but that is also an unsubstantiated claim. Provide evidence to support that, and a thought experiment does not count.

Life span in Roman times was about 35 years. Now it's over 70. (YMMV)
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08-10-2011, 02:01 PM
RE: Recent Human Evolution
I don't understand what their claim to basing the adjustment on evolution to be... The average successful birth age was 26 in 1800 yet declined to 22 in 1940 in a rural catholic town of Quebec... The article says you can only claim some of the adjustment can be based on cultural and social factors but some has to be evolution.

Evolution in what sense are they talking about... are the girls becoming fertile and having successful births at 10? Or is it just throughout the 19th and early 20th centuries more teenage girls were having successful births?

Maybe it is a lack of consciousness and awareness of what they're associating with an evolutionary factor but it seems like a lot of teenagers in a hick town are having babies with less prenatal deaths because of the improved living conditions in the west during the time period and some people are trying to twist that to affirming their claims.
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08-10-2011, 03:26 PM
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The key to any theistic pronouncement is to determine how they're lying.
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12-10-2011, 08:44 PM (This post was last modified: 12-10-2011 08:48 PM by Thomas.)
RE: Recent Human Evolution
(07-10-2011 11:03 AM)theophilus Wrote:  
(04-10-2011 09:34 AM)Kittentamer Wrote:  This article uses a small town in Canada to study the possibility of continued evolution in humans. They show this using church records! Anyone else get a giggle about the church being used to further prove evolution?


Quote:Though ongoing human evolution is difficult to see, researchers believe they’ve found signs of rapid genetic changes among the recent residents of a small Canadian town.

Between 1800 and 1940, mothers in Ile aux Coudres, Quebec gave birth at steadily younger ages, with the average age of first maternity dropping from 26 to 22. Increased fertility, and thus larger families, could have been especially useful in the rural settlement’s early history.

This also supports what the Bible teaches. If you read the first part of Genesis you will find that people normally lived several hundred years. As time has passed the normal human lifespan has decreased. This is one of the effects that sin has had on the human race. If women are giving birth at an earlier age it could be a sign that the process of maturing and aging is still speeding up and this means that the process of shortening the human lifespan is still continuing.

I am aware of the fact that in recent years people have been living longer that they did in the past but that is because advances in medicine and nutrition have meant that fewer people are dying prematurely but are living out their full lifespan. But no matter what medical advances we make all people reach a point where there bodies are so worn out that they can't continue to function any longer.

No biblical support here:
People lived 900 lunar cycles (70 years)
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