Recommend A Noah's Ark Thread?

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(01-11-2012 04:02 PM)Aseptic Skeptic Wrote:  An omniscient god wouldn't make that kind of mistake - right from the beginning he would have just made all humans the way Noah's family was after the flood, therefore no wickedness, no flood. Just do it right the first time.

If he really is omniscient and made that mistake, then he's definitely not omnipotent. Knowing he was making humans so flawed that he would have to drown all life on earth to fix it, and still doing it, means he was unable to do it right - any god not sufficiently omnipotent to make humans right the first time is definitely not omnipotent enough to create a universe - that's gotta be way harder, don't you think?

So he can't be both omniscient and omnipotent, or else mankind would have been perfect from the start (or at least perfect enough that no flood would be needed).

I mean, think about how messed up people are today. Wickedness everywhere. More serial killers than at any time in history (heck, if Jack the Ripper existed today he wouldn't even make front page news - he was only newsworthy because nobody had heard of such wickedness back then). More death, more genocide, more evil dictators, more child molesters, more everything wicked. And god isn't killing us all today.

So just how wicked were we all before the flood to justify global extermination?

And omnipotent, omniscient god could see that coming, could do it differently, but didn't bother to?

Ahhh, but then the fundies just go "oh, but he's so perfect, so he had a purpose for having things go so disastrously all along and we just can't comprehend it!" Of course this is a self-defeating argument. If you can't understand why your god does things the way it does, you have no business making declarations about why he does things the way he does, which is exactly what fundies do all the time.