Reconciling old and new testaments
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01-03-2015, 07:43 AM
RE: Reconciling old and new testaments
(25-02-2015 06:40 PM)Happy Wrote:  I know this question was probably asked a million times, but I honestly do not understand how people who believe, truly and honestly, can reconcile the god of old and new testaments.

The picture of God among the OT is not particularly consistent either. God in some of the early stories, like the ones in Genesis, doesn't come off as omnipotent, finding himself surprised, and with a series of unexpected occurrences. He floods the world, and then becomes remorseful and repents of this very thing, realizing that the problem he was facing is not solvable by such actions.

God in many passages comes off as entirely human, petty, vengeful, given to mood swings. In such tellings of the OT the writers seem to see themselves in God. But in the New Testament story, the writers see God as one of them. He is no longer a human projection, he is human, embodied in humanness, frail and vulnerable, emptied out, a powerless failure, who got his ass kicked.

A seeming paradox.

In the OT, God seems like us. In the NT, when God becomes one of US, we recognize that we are so unlike him. The OT God, was a God in which we often attributed our humanness too. The NT God is so entirely and uniquely human, that he reveals how humanless we are, reveals our inhumanity, in his profound humanity.
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01-03-2015, 06:48 PM
RE: Reconciling old and new testaments
(28-02-2015 01:08 PM)dimaniac Wrote:  
(28-02-2015 12:53 PM)TheInquisition Wrote:  Can you really characterize their religious affiliation?
Are you denying fact that there were atheist scientists developing WMDs?
And btw sam harris called for nuking muslims.
Atheism is not as peaceful as local atheists claim.


Who cares if you feel atheism is peaceful or not. This thread is about reconciling the OT with the NT. Stop attempting to knock down the Straw Man. You are not fooling anyone but yourself.

I urge you....if you are still indoctrinated into the belief in a god, please get an education about the real nature of things.....start with evolution, try the book "Undeniable" Bill Nye.

The bible is rather obviously a book of fiction written by half savages. Get over it.



Believe in a god does no one any good, keeps your mind in the braze age and slows down the moral evolution of us all.
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02-03-2015, 02:16 PM
RE: Reconciling old and new testaments
(25-02-2015 06:40 PM)Happy Wrote:  One simple explanation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compartment...chology%29

This is interesting.

Those suffering from borderline personality disorder will often divide people into all good versus all bad, to avoid the conflicts removing the compartments would inevitably bring, using denial or indifference to protect against any indications of contradictory evidence.
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02-03-2015, 03:21 PM
RE: Reconciling old and new testaments
(27-02-2015 11:07 PM)Happy Wrote:  
(26-02-2015 11:59 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  I don't see you reconciling the testaments together but having an issue with things you find horrible (not that I blame you). Both the NT and OT versions of God send people to Hell, pass judgments, show mercy, and bless some people beyond their wildest dreams.

I don't pick and choose and I don't ignore. It's my atheist friends at TTA who cherry pick and constantly complain about the same verses. They never want to discuss the love of Jesus, the wisdom of Proverbs, the joy of life, the glories of Creation, etc.

Sorry but I live in a world of Christians where we talk always about the hard and soft parts of the Bible.

I don't need to reconcile them. I'm an atheist. I do not believe in god, christian or any other. But what i don't understand is how you believe in that god? would you not agree that there are some horrible things said in bible and horrible things are done by the deity you believe in? so how do you deal with it? what goes through your head when you read something like hosea13:16?

The most horrible thing I can think of is Hell. It is the destiny of those who reject Jesus of their free will. God made Hell. All things that you find awesome or terrifying in the Bible are beneath Hell in scope. Also, God made Heaven, anything we find pleasurable or amazing in life or the Bible are beneath that.

Without a doubt, some TTA atheists will now respond to me about the "problems" they find with Hell, Heaven and God's authority. Mostly, God's authority because since Adam and Eve people have pridefully rebelled against God's authority.

Here's another look at the issue, however. No one posts at TTA, "Dude, NOTHING can escape a black hole? Not even light? If my spaceship or the entire planet Earth goes inside a black hole, it is crushed to an infinitely small mass and destroyed? Dude, that is so UNFAIR!" Why don't they complain about this? Because black holes exist in reality, and like nuclear warfare, a comet impacting the Earth, germ warfare, etc. can kill us all. Some of these things I've listed are more or less likely, some quite improbable of happening to us, but they are reality.

Start with Hell and Heaven and God judging people, even nations, for their treatment of the Jews, for persecuting Christians, for proliferation of prostitution, drugs, porn and war--as reality--and then conform, don't judge.

I'm told atheists on forums like TTA are bitter and angry. If you are not, your posts to me will be respectful, insightful and thoughtful. Prove me wrong by your adherence to decent behavior.
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02-03-2015, 04:43 PM
RE: Reconciling old and new testaments
Mr Q.....how about you pick a cherry from your evil book of sorcery an "be respectful" by not hijacking threads with your biased belief system. Read the thread title and stay on topic please.
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02-03-2015, 07:26 PM
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(02-03-2015 03:21 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  The most horrible thing I can think of is Hell. It is the destiny of those who reject Jesus of their free will. God made Hell. All things that you find awesome or terrifying in the Bible are beneath Hell in scope. Also, God made Heaven, anything we find pleasurable or amazing in life or the Bible are beneath that.

I'm gonna ignore all the other stuff, cause it's not gonna get us anywhere, we are just gonna be walking in circles. But correct me if I'm wrong, you'd rather believe and accept your god as evil as it might look, then risk getting into hell? Is that it? you believe it cause you are scared and hope you'll get into haven if you believe?
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02-03-2015, 07:34 PM
RE: Reconciling old and new testaments
(01-03-2015 07:43 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  A seeming paradox.
In the OT, God seems like us. In the NT, when God becomes one of US, we recognize that we are so unlike him. The OT God, was a God in which we often attributed our humanness too. The NT God is so entirely and uniquely human, that he reveals how humanless we are, reveals our inhumanity, in his profound humanity.

Can you please elaborate on it? I'm afraid I am not follow you. Why can't god just forgive the first humans who disobeyed him "in his profound humanity"?
And slightly off the topic. did they actually know what they were doing? to me if a person doesn't understand that they are naked, that sounds like my 6 months old. I keep telling her not to go for the dog's eyes and ears. but she keeps disobeying me, however i'm not intending to punish her for the rest of her life.
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02-03-2015, 08:03 PM
RE: Reconciling old and new testaments
Morality evolves. Just like everything else. The authors and editors of the NT realized much of the OT God was was crazy, evil and immoral so in the NT they attempted to make him appear more loving and moral through the story of Jesus.
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03-03-2015, 06:38 AM
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It's an early example of a marketing scheme called "Re-branding".

As usual - it's to sell you the same sorry piece of shit that you passed on earlier.....

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03-03-2015, 09:05 AM
RE: Reconciling old and new testaments
(02-03-2015 07:34 PM)Happy Wrote:  
(01-03-2015 07:43 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  A seeming paradox.
In the OT, God seems like us. In the NT, when God becomes one of US, we recognize that we are so unlike him. The OT God, was a God in which we often attributed our humanness too. The NT God is so entirely and uniquely human, that he reveals how humanless we are, reveals our inhumanity, in his profound humanity.

Can you please elaborate on it? I'm afraid I am not follow you. Why can't god just forgive the first humans who disobeyed him "in his profound humanity"?
And slightly off the topic. did they actually know what they were doing? to me if a person doesn't understand that they are naked, that sounds like my 6 months old. I keep telling her not to go for the dog's eyes and ears. but she keeps disobeying me, however i'm not intending to punish her for the rest of her life.

Not every believer subscribes to the concept of original sin as told by fundie evangelicals, in which Jesus dies to undo some cosmic order disturbed by two folks in a garden a few thousands years before his time. So it seems like your question is reserved for them, not me.

The Gospels writers, nor Jesus had anything to say about the whole incident in the garden, having any role in his mission and message, or life and reason for his death.
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