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09-04-2013, 04:08 AM
RE: Religion Limits My Freedom
(09-04-2013 04:02 AM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  
(09-04-2013 03:51 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  I agree...mum is controlling the child. Think about what you wrote. Religion may be the tool of the responsible party, but blaming religion is like blaming spoons for making someone fat.

Mum is using a purpose built tool to achieve control. It's no spoon. It's nasty stuff.

Now your just presenting an opinion instead of making a reasoned argument. But even if we accept for the sake of argument that your opinion is true, mom is still the responsible party.
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09-04-2013, 04:18 AM
RE: Religion Limits My Freedom
(09-04-2013 02:52 AM)GuiltyAngel Wrote:  I hate how much the activities I can do is limited by religion!

I apologize in advance if this isn't the right place for me to express this it's just on the inside I'M RAGING MAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Angry Angry Angry

My mother, a pastor, won't let me so A LOT of things because of this f***ing religion s**t! And forgive me if this is offensive but my mother is so DUMB!! She told me that not everything in this world is science and I was like, "What?! Everything around IS science!" She would then continue babbling about spiritual stuff and s**t like that!

Like I said, my freedom is limited because of religion. I can't hang out with my friends because they are worldly unbelievers.*

*my family's born again christian and they think that they're the only ones right so even if you're a christian but is a catholic or an adventist or trinitarian type of christian, you're still considered to them as unbeliever.

I can't enjoy karaoke because the songs there are not christian therefore it's worldly and is the devil. I must not even look at pictures of my friends in facebook that they went to beautiful beaches because it displays jealousy and I'm jealous of worldly people which makes it really really bad. (Fucked up isn't it? I know, I know.) I should not be dreaming of enjoying my life in those ways because the only enjoyment I should aspire is that enjoyment in the (in a mocking voice) "presence of the lord where a true christian should only enjoy~"

WHAT FULL OF CRAP!!

It sucks! What would I suppose to enjoy, being at church crying and screaming like a crazy person with my hands up high and jumping, being slain on the floor and rolling like a person needed to be taken to the mental hospital?

THIS! This is exactly why I now refuse to be a christian because IT'S FULL OF SHIT AND SHITTY NONSENSE! Why can't we live life like it's the only one we have because DUH? It is the only one we have. Christians waste it on serving an imaginary friend who is nowhere to be found and wouldn't even show up!

Again, I apologize if I'm raging over here. Please do tell me if I broke any forum rules I'd really appreciate it. Thanks guys! I know you guys can understand, especially those who were christians before. Love y'all! Heart

I feel sorry for you and hope the situation improves. I don't know how old you are, but I recommend you start playing this tactically. Consider

If you go to school/university, claim you are spending time at the library after school to do homework, however don't go to the library but hang out with friends.

If you don't have a job, then get one so you can meet new friends and get out of the house. Pretend you work more hours than you do, or try and get a job on Sunday if this is possible? Use the excuse of a bad economy. This could be really difficult as I guess your mum is strict on keeping the Sabbath holy?

Also every so often, claim you are ill on Saturday night/Sunday evening so you can try and avoid going to church. Unless you mother is crazy and thinks an ill person should go to church to be healed by God.

Some people might say its bad for me to tell you to rebel against your parents, however this is for the best reasons as your mother is trying to delude you and allow an invisible man to control your life, and that is not reasonable in itself.

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09-04-2013, 04:22 AM
RE: Religion Limits My Freedom
Aw give it a rest HJ. Regardless of whether or not religion or mom is the reason, the shit she hates is all the crap of grovelling on the floor and acting like an idiot.
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09-04-2013, 04:26 AM
RE: Religion Limits My Freedom
(09-04-2013 04:08 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(09-04-2013 04:02 AM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  Mum is using a purpose built tool to achieve control. It's no spoon. It's nasty stuff.

Now your just presenting an opinion instead of making a reasoned argument. But even if we accept for the sake of argument that your opinion is true, mom is still the responsible party.

“For you, my brothers, have been like the churches of God in Christ Jesus which are in Judaea, in suffering the same treatment from your own countrymen as they have suffered from the Jews, the people who put the Lord Jesus to death, and the prophets too. And now they have been persecuting us, and acting in a way that cannot please God and makes them the enemies of the whole human race, because they are hindering us from preaching to the pagans and trying to save them” (1 Thess. 2:14–16 JB).

“All slaves ‘under the yoke’ must have unqualified respect for their masters, so that the name of God and our teaching are not brought into disrepute. Slaves whose masters are believers are not to think any the less of them because they are brothers; on the contrary, they should serve them all the better, since those who have the benefit of their services are believers and dear to God.” (1 Tim. 6:1–3, NJB).

“Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience. This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.” (Romans 13:1-10 NIV).

“Yes, it is a good thing for a man not to touch a woman. But since sex is always a danger, let each man have his own wife and each woman her own husband. The husband must give his wife what she has the right to expect, and so too the wife to the husband. The wife has no rights over her own body; it is the husband who has them. In the same way, the husband has no rights over his body; the wife has them. Do not refuse each other except by mutual consent, and then only for an agreed time, to leave yourselves free for prayer; then come together again in case Satan should take advantage of your weakness to tempt you” (1 Cor. 7:1–6, NJB).

“Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders… will inherit the kingdom of God” (1 Cor. 6:9–10, NIV).

“Similarly, I direct that women are to wear suitable clothes and to be dressed quietly and modestly, without braided hair or gold and jewelry or expensive clothes; their adornment is to do the sort of good works that are proper for women who profess to be religious. During instruction, a woman should be quiet and respectful. I am not giving permission for a woman to teach or to tell a man what to do. A woman ought not to speak, because Adam was formed first and Eve afterwards, and it was not Adam who was led astray but the woman who was led astray and fell into sin. Nevertheless, she will be saved by childbearing, provided she lives a modest life and is constant in faith and love and holiness” (1 Tim. 2:9–15, NJB).

“The time has come he said and the kingdom of God is close at hand. Repent and believe the Good News” (Mark 1:15, NJB),

“I tell you solemnly, unless you change and become like little children you will never enter the kingdom of heaven” (Matt. 18:3, NJB).

“No one who believes in him will be condemned; but whoever refuses to believe is condemned already because he has refused to believe in the name of God’s only son” (John 3:18, NJB).

"To the man who slaps you on one cheek, give him the other cheek too" (Luke 6:29–30, NJB), and
“Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth” (Matt. 5:5, NKJ).

“Love your enemies and do good, and lend without any hope of return. You will have great reward, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he himself is kind to the ungrateful and the wicked” (Luke 6:35, NJB).

“Anyone who loves his life loses it; anyone who hates his life in this world will keep it for the eternal life” (John 12:25, NJB).

“How happy are you who are poor; yours is the kingdom of God” (Luke 6:20, NJB)

“Next he will say to those on his left hand ‘Go away from me with your curse upon you, to the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels’’’ (Matt. 25:41, NJB).

“But as for my enemies who did not want me for their king, bring them here and execute them in my presence” (Luke 19:27, NJB).

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09-04-2013, 07:08 AM
RE: Religion Limits My Freedom
(09-04-2013 03:25 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  Whatever restrictions mom put on you are not very effective as evidenced by you being able to post here.

Even some atheist parents restict what sites they allow their children to visit. Religion isn't limiting your freedom.....mom is.

Mom is limiting my freedom for religious purposes. If she didn't had those beliefs and views, I'd be able to live my life. And fyi, when my mom was not yet a christian, she was a party freak! Ergo, we would be able to enjoy clubbing together. haha!
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09-04-2013, 07:13 AM
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(09-04-2013 03:38 AM)Luminon Wrote:  Don't want to sound like a smart aleck, but (that's what I am and) your mom is using theology incorrectly. She needs to read her Bible and not just do what an ego-tripping pastor would do, alike a richly clad Pharisee that the Dark one tempts the prideful hearts to become. No

(09-04-2013 02:52 AM)GuiltyAngel Wrote:  Like I said, my freedom is limited because of religion. I can't hang out with my friends because they are worldly unbelievers.*
What da fuck? Jesus hung out with tax collectors, harlots and whole crowds of worldly unbelievers. That's how it's done, showing the divine example and making an impression on the unbelievers with your tolerance! Then he told his disciples to go out into the world even more, to totally unbeliever cities where they had exactly zero Christians. You don't spread the truth and morality by staying at home, locked up like Lazarus in a tomb, right? Angel

(09-04-2013 02:52 AM)GuiltyAngel Wrote:  I can't enjoy karaoke because the songs there are not christian therefore it's worldly and is the devil.
What? Tell your mom to look up the Song of songs. That's worldly yet biblical. Tell your mom if science is not everything, then neither is logic.

(09-04-2013 02:52 AM)GuiltyAngel Wrote:  I must not even look at pictures of my friends in facebook that they went to beautiful beaches because it displays jealousy and I'm jealous of worldly people which makes it really really bad. (Fucked up isn't it? I know, I know.)
WTF? Does your mother remember what was St. Paul's job? He used to sail for years around the countless Greek islands, spreading the Word. Does your mom realize how many beautiful beaches he visited? And what about John from the island of Patmos, he surely did have a soak between writing down his hallucinatory visions. Wink

(09-04-2013 02:52 AM)GuiltyAngel Wrote:  I should not be dreaming of enjoying my life in those ways because the only enjoyment I should aspire is that enjoyment in the (in a mocking voice) "presence of the lord where a true christian should only enjoy~"

It sucks! What would I suppose to enjoy, being at church crying and screaming like a crazy person with my hands up high and jumping, being slain on the floor and rolling like a person needed to be taken to the mental hospital?
But the Lord is omnipresent! You can go anywhere and yet be in presence of the Lord. The whole world is His creation and you need to go and celebrate it in the full glory of summer bloom and winter snowflakes. It's important that He's in your heart. (~ in a mocking voice, of course) Angel
It's Satan who must like to keep us a dark place full of screaming people and non-living, man-made idols and symbols of torture. Dodgy

(09-04-2013 02:52 AM)GuiltyAngel Wrote:  THIS! This is exactly why I now refuse to be a christian because IT'S FULL OF SHIT AND SHITTY NONSENSE! Why can't we live life like it's the only one we have because DUH? It is the only one we have. Christians waste it on serving an imaginary friend who is nowhere to be found and wouldn't even show up!

Again, I apologize if I'm raging over here. Please do tell me if I broke any forum rules I'd really appreciate it. Thanks guys! I know you guys can understand, especially those who were christians before. Love y'all! Heart
Amen sister! Heart We thank you for your story. Now let's yell our hearts out some more, then sing the song from Darwin's book and give our thanks to Science before the Sunday brunch.

HAHAHAHA! Laugh out load you really made me laugh with all of your replies. I admire the effort too. Thumbsup

Well with my mom, usually I just shut up because there's no winning over her. She thinks she's all that knowing already because she's a pastor and her faith is very high. So there's really no point talking to her that's why sometimes I use other outlets to let my feelings out where I know I'd be free to express anything I want and there would be people who understands me. Smile

Thank you so much. You really made me smile.Tongue
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09-04-2013, 07:19 AM
RE: Religion Limits My Freedom
(09-04-2013 03:43 AM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  
(09-04-2013 02:52 AM)GuiltyAngel Wrote:  I hate how much the activities I can do is limited by religion!

I apologize in advance if this isn't the right place for me to express this it's just on the inside I'M RAGING MAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Angry Angry Angry

My mother, a pastor, won't let me so A LOT of things because of this f***ing religion s**t! And forgive me if this is offensive but my mother is so DUMB!! She told me that not everything in this world is science and I was like, "What?! Everything around IS science!" She would then continue babbling about spiritual stuff and s**t like that!

Like I said, my freedom is limited because of religion. I can't hang out with my friends because they are worldly unbelievers.*

*my family's born again christian and they think that they're the only ones right so even if you're a christian but is a catholic or an adventist or trinitarian type of christian, you're still considered to them as unbeliever.

I can't enjoy karaoke because the songs there are not christian therefore it's worldly and is the devil. I must not even look at pictures of my friends in facebook that they went to beautiful beaches because it displays jealousy and I'm jealous of worldly people which makes it really really bad. (Fucked up isn't it? I know, I know.) I should not be dreaming of enjoying my life in those ways because the only enjoyment I should aspire is that enjoyment in the (in a mocking voice) "presence of the lord where a true christian should only enjoy~"

WHAT FULL OF CRAP!!

It sucks! What would I suppose to enjoy, being at church crying and screaming like a crazy person with my hands up high and jumping, being slain on the floor and rolling like a person needed to be taken to the mental hospital?

THIS! This is exactly why I now refuse to be a christian because IT'S FULL OF SHIT AND SHITTY NONSENSE! Why can't we live life like it's the only one we have because DUH? It is the only one we have. Christians waste it on serving an imaginary friend who is nowhere to be found and wouldn't even show up!

Again, I apologize if I'm raging over here. Please do tell me if I broke any forum rules I'd really appreciate it. Thanks guys! I know you guys can understand, especially those who were christians before. Love y'all! Heart

I hear you.

Christianity always has been and always will be about POWER.

That is why it was first dreamt up. The Roman government created it to try to control Jews who were dreaming of starting another war against them.

Christianity keeps plebs bowing down to priests, popes and kings, adolescents obeying their parents, and women doing what their husbands tell them. It exists to control the little people, the commoners, the weak, the ones the powerful earn a living off.

All talk about spirituality, morals and ethics is just floss designed to disguise the above.

Your mum is using Christianity to control you.

Exactly my point! And I feel like I missed a lot in my life because of it. Because of f***ing religion, I missed half my life. I can never bring back my teen days wherein I could've enjoy it the way a teen would enjoy it. I never got to hang out with my friends. It's sad, I know. Sadcryface
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09-04-2013, 07:22 AM
RE: Religion Limits My Freedom
(09-04-2013 03:51 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(09-04-2013 02:52 AM)GuiltyAngel Wrote:  I hate how much the activities I can do is limited by religion!

I apologize in advance if this isn't the right place for me to express this it's just on the inside I'M RAGING MAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Angry Angry Angry

My mother, a pastor, won't let me so A LOT of things because of this f***ing religion s**t! And forgive me if this is offensive but my mother is so DUMB!! She told me that not everything in this world is science and I was like, "What?! Everything around IS science!" She would then continue babbling about spiritual stuff and s**t like that!

Like I said, my freedom is limited because of religion. I can't hang out with my friends because they are worldly unbelievers.*

*my family's born again christian and they think that they're the only ones right so even if you're a christian but is a catholic or an adventist or trinitarian type of christian, you're still considered to them as unbeliever.

I can't enjoy karaoke because the songs there are not christian therefore it's worldly and is the devil. I must not even look at pictures of my friends in facebook that they went to beautiful beaches because it displays jealousy and I'm jealous of worldly people which makes it really really bad. (Fucked up isn't it? I know, I know.) I should not be dreaming of enjoying my life in those ways because the only enjoyment I should aspire is that enjoyment in the (in a mocking voice) "presence of the lord where a true christian should only enjoy~"

WHAT FULL OF CRAP!!

It sucks! What would I suppose to enjoy, being at church crying and screaming like a crazy person with my hands up high and jumping, being slain on the floor and rolling like a person needed to be taken to the mental hospital?

THIS! This is exactly why I now refuse to be a christian because IT'S FULL OF SHIT AND SHITTY NONSENSE! Why can't we live life like it's the only one we have because DUH? It is the only one we have. Christians waste it on serving an imaginary friend who is nowhere to be found and wouldn't even show up!

Again, I apologize if I'm raging over here. Please do tell me if I broke any forum rules I'd really appreciate it. Thanks guys! I know you guys can understand, especially those who were christians before. Love y'all! Heart

Well one thing you can do to limit the amount of control over your life that your mother has is to move out. As long as you are living in her house she will have a degree of control. I realise that moving out might not be an option yet (you said you were a student) but this should motivate you into finding roommates a part time job a place you can afford. Once your out of her house she basically can't have any control over you that you don't allow her to have.

I am taking that into consideration but I'm waiting for the time I can graduate because whether I like it or now, I still owe her. I am in her debt for raising me and paying for my tuition. (Asian culture) So now, I'm just TRYING my best to bear with everything til I graduate then finally, I'M FREE!!!!!!!!!! haha! Laugh out load
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09-04-2013, 07:25 AM
RE: Religion Limits My Freedom
(09-04-2013 03:51 AM)MuffinPuffin Wrote:  I don't know how old you are, but why not just defy your mother, what's the worst that could happen?

I mean, like if she says you can't sin a certain song, when you sing karaoke, why not just do it anyway?

I'm 21 on October but please take note, I'm ASIAN. You have no idea how worst asian parents can get when you defy them.
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09-04-2013, 08:00 AM
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(09-04-2013 04:18 AM)TheLogicalAthiest Wrote:  
(09-04-2013 02:52 AM)GuiltyAngel Wrote:  I hate how much the activities I can do is limited by religion!

I apologize in advance if this isn't the right place for me to express this it's just on the inside I'M RAGING MAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Angry Angry Angry

My mother, a pastor, won't let me so A LOT of things because of this f***ing religion s**t! And forgive me if this is offensive but my mother is so DUMB!! She told me that not everything in this world is science and I was like, "What?! Everything around IS science!" She would then continue babbling about spiritual stuff and s**t like that!

Like I said, my freedom is limited because of religion. I can't hang out with my friends because they are worldly unbelievers.*

*my family's born again christian and they think that they're the only ones right so even if you're a christian but is a catholic or an adventist or trinitarian type of christian, you're still considered to them as unbeliever.

I can't enjoy karaoke because the songs there are not christian therefore it's worldly and is the devil. I must not even look at pictures of my friends in facebook that they went to beautiful beaches because it displays jealousy and I'm jealous of worldly people which makes it really really bad. (Fucked up isn't it? I know, I know.) I should not be dreaming of enjoying my life in those ways because the only enjoyment I should aspire is that enjoyment in the (in a mocking voice) "presence of the lord where a true christian should only enjoy~"

WHAT FULL OF CRAP!!

It sucks! What would I suppose to enjoy, being at church crying and screaming like a crazy person with my hands up high and jumping, being slain on the floor and rolling like a person needed to be taken to the mental hospital?

THIS! This is exactly why I now refuse to be a christian because IT'S FULL OF SHIT AND SHITTY NONSENSE! Why can't we live life like it's the only one we have because DUH? It is the only one we have. Christians waste it on serving an imaginary friend who is nowhere to be found and wouldn't even show up!

Again, I apologize if I'm raging over here. Please do tell me if I broke any forum rules I'd really appreciate it. Thanks guys! I know you guys can understand, especially those who were christians before. Love y'all! Heart

I feel sorry for you and hope the situation improves. I don't know how old you are, but I recommend you start playing this tactically. Consider

If you go to school/university, claim you are spending time at the library after school to do homework, however don't go to the library but hang out with friends.

If you don't have a job, then get one so you can meet new friends and get out of the house. Pretend you work more hours than you do, or try and get a job on Sunday if this is possible? Use the excuse of a bad economy. This could be really difficult as I guess your mum is strict on keeping the Sabbath holy?

Also every so often, claim you are ill on Saturday night/Sunday evening so you can try and avoid going to church. Unless you mother is crazy and thinks an ill person should go to church to be healed by God.

Some people might say its bad for me to tell you to rebel against your parents, however this is for the best reasons as your mother is trying to delude you and allow an invisible man to control your life, and that is not reasonable in itself.

Oh! You guessed right about my mom. Haha! She'd rather have me fail in school than missing a single church service. Yep. That's right. That's how devoted she is. It's sad, I know. I'm just waiting for the right moment for me to break free. Laugh out load
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