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14-03-2017, 04:38 PM
RE: Religion and Politics
(14-03-2017 07:10 AM)psiclark Wrote:  Can you really ignore (or defend) these evils that were supposedly committed by god?

That was the old God.
Need to give Him another chance, now that He's been through rehab.

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14-03-2017, 04:54 PM
RE: Religion and Politics
(14-03-2017 07:10 AM)psiclark Wrote:  
(11-03-2017 08:56 PM)socialistview Wrote:  I'm a christian so I go by what the new testament says all sins except sexual sins are outside the body sexual sin is sin against the body. Just to point out god has been compassionate through the whole bible so we live by compassion. And god works with everybody but believers follow god and recieve his promises he made to us. Actually do what the bible says and see if you don't get what you want in life.

So is the Old testament just to be completely voided? If the events in the bible are just going to be cherry picked by the denomination of Christianity that it suits, then it is entirely unfair to choose the parts that suits you and then claim your god is all compassionate! Take it from another point of view and cherry pick all the horrible, misogynistic, sadistic, murderous events committed by god and those supposedly following him and you see a picture of a god who is simply evil. It is a question of perspective.

http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=21

Can you really ignore (or defend) these evils that were supposedly committed by god?

Well there's Matthew 5:17 (I think), This is the one where he says the old law isn't replaced by him, and that not one jot or tittle will be changed (depending on version read, I could be wrong on this i'm going from memory, I might have 2 verses confused), Either way this one Christians have to twist into pretzels to get out of with all kinda of fun mind tricks. That is if they choose to acknowledge it at all.

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15-03-2017, 08:59 AM
RE: Religion and Politics
(14-03-2017 04:54 PM)JesseB Wrote:  Well there's Matthew 5:17 (I think), This is the one where he says the old law isn't replaced by him, and that not one jot or tittle will be changed (depending on version read, I could be wrong on this i'm going from memory, I might have 2 verses confused), Either way this one Christians have to twist into pretzels to get out of with all kinda of fun mind tricks. That is if they choose to acknowledge it at all.
I don't recall myself or any of my compatriots breaking a sweat back in our evangelical daze over this verse. Because Jesus through his perfect life and sacrificial death fulfilled every "jot and tittle" of the Law. See how easy that is? See what we did there?
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15-03-2017, 11:11 AM
RE: Religion and Politics
(15-03-2017 08:59 AM)mordant Wrote:  
(14-03-2017 04:54 PM)JesseB Wrote:  Well there's Matthew 5:17 (I think), This is the one where he says the old law isn't replaced by him, and that not one jot or tittle will be changed (depending on version read, I could be wrong on this i'm going from memory, I might have 2 verses confused), Either way this one Christians have to twist into pretzels to get out of with all kinda of fun mind tricks. That is if they choose to acknowledge it at all.
I don't recall myself or any of my compatriots breaking a sweat back in our evangelical daze over this verse. Because Jesus through his perfect life and sacrificial death fulfilled every "jot and tittle" of the Law. See how easy that is? See what we did there?

I do, and I've heard it before. I still find it to be intellectually dishonest. My personal take anyway.

My biggest problem with it (going off memory cause I don't think its a point worth digging too deep into) is that in the verses he says until all of these things come to pass (the way it is written imply's that they will remain the "laws" until the end times and the return of the savior figure, and that particular little trick kinda ignores that part. Which is why I've always found it to be intellectually dishonest).

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15-03-2017, 12:22 PM
RE: Religion and Politics
(14-03-2017 07:10 AM)psiclark Wrote:  
(11-03-2017 08:56 PM)socialistview Wrote:  I'm a christian so I go by what the new testament says all sins except sexual sins are outside the body sexual sin is sin against the body. Just to point out god has been compassionate through the whole bible so we live by compassion. And god works with everybody but believers follow god and recieve his promises he made to us. Actually do what the bible says and see if you don't get what you want in life.

So is the Old testament just to be completely voided? If the events in the bible are just going to be cherry picked by the denomination of Christianity that it suits, then it is entirely unfair to choose the parts that suits you and then claim your god is all compassionate! Take it from another point of view and cherry pick all the horrible, misogynistic, sadistic, murderous events committed by god and those supposedly following him and you see a picture of a god who is simply evil. It is a question of perspective.

http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=21

Can you really ignore (or defend) these evils that were supposedly committed by god?

The old testament is the history of the jews but it tells how god cares and helps flawed men who are actually trying to be a good person even when they sin.
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15-03-2017, 12:23 PM
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It will be the worst bloodshed the world has seen.
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15-03-2017, 12:32 PM
RE: Religion and Politics
(15-03-2017 12:22 PM)socialistview Wrote:  
(14-03-2017 07:10 AM)psiclark Wrote:  So is the Old testament just to be completely voided? If the events in the bible are just going to be cherry picked by the denomination of Christianity that it suits, then it is entirely unfair to choose the parts that suits you and then claim your god is all compassionate! Take it from another point of view and cherry pick all the horrible, misogynistic, sadistic, murderous events committed by god and those supposedly following him and you see a picture of a god who is simply evil. It is a question of perspective.

http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=21

Can you really ignore (or defend) these evils that were supposedly committed by god?

The old testament is the history of the jews but it tells how god cares and helps flawed men who are actually trying to be a good person even when they sin.

The problem is objective verifiable reality does not line up with what you say. Open a fucking history book. Please.

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15-03-2017, 12:33 PM
RE: Religion and Politics
(15-03-2017 12:23 PM)socialistview Wrote:  It will be the worst bloodshed the world has seen.

Who are you responding to? What the fuck are you talking about? You have yet to make a compelling argument: Assertion alert.

I call non sequitur and non productive word salad.

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15-03-2017, 12:34 PM
RE: Religion and Politics
(15-03-2017 12:22 PM)socialistview Wrote:  The old testament is the history of the jews

No, it is the mythology of the Jews. It isn't history.

Quote: but it tells how god cares and helps flawed men who are actually trying to be a good person even when they sin.

I see lots of smiting "flawed men"... I see very little helping.

(15-03-2017 12:23 PM)socialistview Wrote:  It will be the worst bloodshed the world has seen.

Yep, because a caring god is all about maximizing bloodshed. Do you ever actually think about the crap you believe?

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15-03-2017, 09:16 PM
RE: Religion and Politics
God saved david. God saved jacob. Ans abraham.
It says god brings the antichrist for an evil nation. The antichrist is his judgement.
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