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13-03-2017, 09:05 AM
RE: Religion and choice
Tell me what I paraphrase wrong and I'm trying to convince you that the bible doesn't agree with genocide.
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13-03-2017, 09:10 AM
RE: Religion and choice
(13-03-2017 09:05 AM)socialistview Wrote:  Tell me what I paraphrase wrong and I'm trying to convince you that the bible doesn't agree with genocide.

... Oh yeah?

ETA: That's just from 2 Samuel - one friggin' book.

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13-03-2017, 09:15 AM
RE: Religion and choice
(13-03-2017 09:05 AM)socialistview Wrote:  Tell me what I paraphrase wrong and I'm trying to convince you that the bible doesn't agree with genocide.

Try Genesis 6-8, I'm not interested in your ignorant rambling and incoherent protestations. Flooding the entire planet to kill everything is genocide and there's nothing you can say that will change that, peddle your nonsense somewhere else.

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13-03-2017, 09:20 AM
RE: Religion and choice
(13-03-2017 09:05 AM)socialistview Wrote:  Tell me what I paraphrase wrong and I'm trying to convince you that the bible doesn't agree with genocide.

Wrong again.

Remember the story of the Canaanites? The Amalekites? Sodom and Gomorrah? The first-born of Egypt (technically not genocide, but a mass killing nonetheless)? The entire earth during the great flood?

My friend, do yourself and your beliefs a favour: state that it's just a matter of faith and leave it at that, because if you try to support it through "science" or "history" you will continue to fail.

*edit to add*
I see TheInquisition beat me to it re the flood. Sorry to repeat!
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13-03-2017, 09:40 AM
RE: Religion and choice
Within their context, I have found Judaism, Islam, and Christianity to be true. Even outside of their context, the Buddha and Lao Tzu speak truly.

Sentient social animals forever alone have an innate desire for an unchanging eternal companion. That's why they do it in my reckoning.

Along with insanity breath of vision is the requirement of the prophet. Seeing the truth so widely represented one realizes the best option is to find my truth.

A truth. Subject it to the skeptical inquiry of my peers today. Expose it to the cynical eye of the world tomorrow. And when you see the sun that rises between love and entropy you too may witness the LC.

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13-03-2017, 01:31 PM
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Ya the amalakites always attacked them. They were all attacted by those civilizations but the jews started it that's why it can be looked at as unjust.
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13-03-2017, 02:23 PM
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(13-03-2017 06:28 AM)socialistview Wrote:  What's the burden of proof? And everybody in the bible had to live by faith without the outcome looking good. And I see the bible as god showing the right way to live to people who can't understand how.

So the burden of proof could start with the fact that "everybody" in the bible likely didn't exist. We have historical evidence that is far more reliable that suggests many events in the bible, many people mentioned in the bible weren't real to begin with. This is just one failing with regards to the burden of proof.

If the bible meets the burden of proof here, then we would see the historical record also backing up these claims.

Also, the bible can't get its story straight, and its in conflict with other mythologies in addition to being in conflict with historical facts we can demonstrate to be reliable.

Some examples
1. The flood
2. Where was Jesus born
3. (well for me) did Jesus even exist at all

I mean this is just one example of how Atheists look at the burden of proof, we could literally write volumes on the failings of the bible to line up with what we can demonstrate to be reality. So EITHER the bible is simply false, OR the bible was never meant to be considered a real account of things that have happened (think of Aesops fables), I think for many if not most Atheists this is a large part of why they have come to the conclusions they did.

Also we've read the bible, its "moral teachings" are frankly rubbish and horrific, and if you think its ok to murder a child who disagrees with you just cause you're the parent, well then you are wrong AND a reprehensible human being.

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13-03-2017, 07:07 PM
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Whoever has not sinned throw the first stone. All we don't have is evidence for moses.
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13-03-2017, 07:26 PM
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(13-03-2017 07:07 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Whoever has not sinned throw the first stone. All we don't have is evidence for moses.

You've failed to prove the existence of sin defeating your own post long before you wrote these words.

Edit^ also you need to cite your source on that claim.

Google Richard Carrier.

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13-03-2017, 10:18 PM
RE: Religion and choice
Something you know you shouldn't do. Thats sin.
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