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15-03-2017, 11:57 AM
RE: Religion and choice
(14-03-2017 10:40 AM)socialistview Wrote:  Becuase you know what your doing can give negative consequences.

Without omniscience, there is no reasonable accountability.

Let's say in the past someone took a baby and tossed it out of the window and killed it?

Would that be a bad act? Maybe.

What if that baby tossed out the window's name was Adolf Hitler and that person just saved six million Jews?

Was that a bad act? How would a person know what that baby would become in 40 years? Should god, with his supposed omniscience, reward that person?

What if another person caught the same baby that was tossed out of the window? That person just doomed six million Jews to their death.

Should god reward or punish that person? How would that person know what the full consequences of their actions would be?

How could a god pass any kind of judgement on that person knowing full well that they have no way of knowing the full consequences of a given action?

Here's another Yoda prediction:

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The entire idea of punishment for sins is an ancient and barbaric concept, it trivializes and makes ignorant assumptions about human choice.

The Christian concept of eternal punishment trivializes and renders human choices moot. It sets up punishment with no purpose, there's no way to reform or change your mind after you're put into the Pit.

Hell isn't even there for people sinning, it's a place for those that didn't believe. It's existence in Christian mythology destroys the idea of what a person does on this Earth matters and only values what humans believe.

Jeffrey Dahmer turned to god before he was murdered in prison. He gets to go to heaven, but some of his victims went to hell according to Christian mythology.

This is the moral depredation of a religion that puts faith above works.

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15-03-2017, 12:00 PM
RE: Religion and choice
(13-03-2017 09:05 AM)socialistview Wrote:  Tell me what I paraphrase wrong and I'm trying to convince you that the bible doesn't agree with genocide.

Yeah... really....? Bullshit mate.

Exodus 32:25-28—
Now when Moses saw that the people were out of control—for Aaron had let them get out of control to be a derision among their enemies—then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, "Whoever is for the Lord, come to me!" And all the sons of Levi gathered together to him. He said to them, "Thus says the Lord, the God of Israel, Every man of you put his sword upon his thigh, and go back and forth from gate to gate in the camp, and kill every man his brother, and every man his friend, and every man his neighbor." So the sons of Levi did as Moses instructed, and about three thousand men of the people fell that day.


——Moses has been described as a genocidal Jewish Hitler LOL.

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15-03-2017, 12:00 PM
RE: Religion and choice
(14-03-2017 10:45 AM)JesseB Wrote:  
(14-03-2017 10:40 AM)socialistview Wrote:  Becuase you know what your doing can give negative consequences.

His point was they don't know that. A point which you clearly missed..... Does this mean they can do anything and its not a sin cause they don't know its wrong?

I'd like to mention Alla also noticed (good job!), and made this point also. SV you have yet to understand this.

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So bad things done to them they can't realize that.

You have it backwards dude. They don't understand why the things THEY do to OTHERS is bad.

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15-03-2017, 12:02 PM
RE: Religion and choice
(15-03-2017 12:00 PM)SYZ Wrote:  
(13-03-2017 09:05 AM)socialistview Wrote:  Tell me what I paraphrase wrong and I'm trying to convince you that the bible doesn't agree with genocide.

Yeah... really....? Bullshit mate.

Exodus 32:25-28—
Now when Moses saw that the people were out of control—for Aaron had let them get out of control to be a derision among their enemies—then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, "Whoever is for the Lord, come to me!" And all the sons of Levi gathered together to him. He said to them, "Thus says the Lord, the God of Israel, Every man of you put his sword upon his thigh, and go back and forth from gate to gate in the camp, and kill every man his brother, and every man his friend, and every man his neighbor." So the sons of Levi did as Moses instructed, and about three thousand men of the people fell that day.


——Moses has been described as a genocidal Jewish Hitler LOL.

Couldn't have put it better myself dude Smile

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15-03-2017, 09:08 PM
RE: Religion and choice
Whoever has not sinned through the first stone few christians are going to make it to heaven too gods judgement is a mystery. God has the law just as he has mercy.
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15-03-2017, 09:30 PM
RE: Religion and choice
(15-03-2017 09:08 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Whoever has not sinned through the first stone few christians are going to make it to heaven too gods judgement is a mystery. God has the law just as he has mercy.

If his judgement is a mystery then how do you know how many will make it or that he has mercy? You're so mired in contradictory claims I'm surprised you can feed yourself. Stop making excuses for your thug god, they only serve to dig the hole a little deeper.

You do understand that justice and mercy are incompatible, right? You can have one or the other but not both.

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15-03-2017, 10:35 PM
RE: Religion and choice
Socialistview seems to have stopped putting any effort in and is now resorting to just spamming every thread he's in with bible verses without any critical thought or additional commentary. Just pointing this out. Its spread out over several threads but at this stage it seems everything he posts is nothing but spam.

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15-03-2017, 11:03 PM
RE: Religion and choice
Socialist view. I'm just going to leave it at this. If you're not going to try, why should I?

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16-03-2017, 01:39 AM
RE: Religion and choice
(15-03-2017 10:35 PM)JesseB Wrote:  Socialistview seems to have stopped putting any effort in and is now resorting to just spamming every thread he's in with bible verses without any critical thought or additional commentary. Just pointing this out. Its spread out over several threads but at this stage it seems everything he posts is nothing but spam.

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So nothing much changed.

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16-03-2017, 01:50 AM
RE: Religion and choice
(16-03-2017 01:39 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  
(15-03-2017 10:35 PM)JesseB Wrote:  Socialistview seems to have stopped putting any effort in and is now resorting to just spamming every thread he's in with bible verses without any critical thought or additional commentary. Just pointing this out. Its spread out over several threads but at this stage it seems everything he posts is nothing but spam.

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So nothing much changed.

That moves into actionable territory.

You hear that SV? Either post substance, or risk the ire of ye' old Banhammer.

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Please just keep posting nothing but Bible quotes and copy-pasting other people's bullshit. Please, just keep doing that. Give moms a reason to swing the Banhammer at you.

Please, do this for me.

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