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16-03-2017, 02:12 AM
RE: Religion and choice
I agree that if your post is saying, "This is something [my special book] says, so it must be true" then you may as well post nothing at all. You are utterly wasting your time on this forum. This applies to everyone, of course.

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16-03-2017, 05:06 AM
RE: Religion and choice
(15-03-2017 09:08 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Whoever has not sinned through the first stone few christians are going to make it to heaven too gods judgement is a mystery. God has the law just as he has mercy.

Quote:The great majority of scholars hold that the so-called pericope adulterae or “PA” (the story of Jesus and the adulteress found in John 7.53–8.11) is not original to John’s Gospel. The first manuscript of John to include this story is Codex Bezae (D), which dates to the fifth century, and on internal grounds these verses interrupt the narrative of John’s Gospel and feature non-Johannine vocabulary and grammar. But if the PA is not from the hand of the Fourth Evangelist, where did it come from?

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16-03-2017, 05:21 AM
RE: Religion and choice
(15-03-2017 09:30 PM)unfogged Wrote:  
(15-03-2017 09:08 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Whoever has not sinned through the first stone few christians are going to make it to heaven too gods judgement is a mystery. God has the law just as he has mercy.

If his judgement is a mystery then how do you know how many will make it or that he has mercy? You're so mired in contradictory claims I'm surprised you can feed yourself. Stop making excuses for your thug god, they only serve to dig the hole a little deeper.

You do understand that justice and mercy are incompatible, right? You can have one or the other but not both.

Part of being a skeptic is understanding the full ramifications of some of these bizarre religious assertions. The religious followers don't want to contemplate what it could mean when you seriously consider things that are in their various holy books.

Does the biblical god punish innocent people for what happened in the past? There are clear verses that point to this:


Deuteronomy 5:9King James Version (KJV)


9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me


God will also kill innocent people for no reason. (Egypt and their firstborn, the flood, etc.)

Of course there are apologists that try to get around this, but an outsider that doesn't operate under a biased presupposition of gods alleged goodness, understands what is plainly written in this book.

Here's some fairly easy to see characteristics of this god character:

1. It punishes innocents

2. No one can figure out why it does this- cue mysterious ways.

3. It made a place to shove all of the non-believers, who are in the majority.

So if it set up a system that puts the majority of people in hell, and it doesn't matter if you are innocent or not. Where does that leave your religion?

Making wild guesses or interpretations about how you are going to get out of it's capricious eternal punishment and pretending that you are somehow going to get a pass from this god.

Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee. 1 Kings 22:23

Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets. 2 Chronicles 18:22

Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people. Jeremiah 4:10

O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived. Jeremiah 20:7

And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet. Ezekiel 14:9

For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie. 2 Thessalonians 2:11


In light of this, why should we believe any alleged spokesman for this god? It doesn't matter what you believe is in this book, there's no reason to believe it is true EVEN IF THIS GOD REALLY EXISTS!

Capriciousness or "mysterious ways" invalidate whatever it says.

Gods derive their power from post-hoc rationalizations. -The Inquisition

Using the supernatural to explain events in your life is a failure of the intellect to comprehend the world around you. -The Inquisition
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16-03-2017, 05:44 AM
RE: Religion and choice
(16-03-2017 05:21 AM)TheInquisition Wrote:  Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee. 1 Kings 22:23

Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets. 2 Chronicles 18:22

Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people. Jeremiah 4:10

O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived. Jeremiah 20:7

And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet. Ezekiel 14:9

For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie. 2 Thessalonians 2:11

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