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05-06-2013, 02:11 PM
RE: Religion in Evolution
(05-06-2013 01:56 PM)Rahn127 Wrote:  
(05-06-2013 01:41 PM)I and I Wrote:  I don't know know who you are but ok.


Philosopher Peter Sloterdijk writes that humans create bubbles on personal and societal scale, these "bubbles" or "spheres" never spread and accept others into the fold, they simply burst and don't exist anymore.

As for who I am, that's pretty self evident. I'm Rahn Big Grin

This author you speak of apparently has never heard of nomadic tribes that, you know, travel around and encounter other tribes. They might socialize together, trade or barter items, eat together, share stories, etc. Some may even stay with the new tribe for a while and others go with the other tribe leaving in a new direction.

Has this author even read any history books at all ?
Oh wait, he's in a bubble isn't he Smile

Here is Bellah speaking about his book Religion in Human evolution.

Pet peeve time: Why the fuck do lecture videos have a shit load of people introducing the main speaker? We didn't come here to hear you, shut the fuck up.

This lecture by Bellah has 3 introductions by 3 different people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkzO0wNOOc8
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05-06-2013, 02:46 PM
RE: Religion in Evolution
Bubbles? They sound a lot like memes.
The notion that chance, errors, adaption, failures, despite the long time frame led to the intricacies of the human brain (good and evil) is a very big call.
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05-06-2013, 03:50 PM
RE: Religion in Evolution
(05-06-2013 02:46 PM)Mr Woof Wrote:  Bubbles? They sound a lot like memes.

I liked the way that Dan Dennett describes social/religious groups as cells. A little more biological. He also talked about memes. A cell uses a membrane to keep out unwanted influence or parasites, but this membrane also had to be able to let in nourishment for the cell to be able to survive and flourish. A cell or meme completely closed off from any outside nourishment will wither and die, so it must be highly selective in what it will accept into the cell.

But now I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth.

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11-06-2013, 09:42 AM
RE: Religion in Evolution
This book is probably interessant.
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11-06-2013, 10:26 AM
RE: Religion in Evolution
(05-06-2013 01:49 PM)I and I Wrote:  
(05-06-2013 01:45 PM)Rahn127 Wrote:  You know what can make one vulnerable to attack from prey - SLEEPING for a few hours at a time or longer.
What could help your survival if you and people like you MUST, at some point, sleep. Answer - living in groups. The more people around you, the less likely a predator is to get YOU.
And while living in groups, what can help that group to have some cohesiveness ? - Answer - playing, ritualistic dance, having fun

I like being with groups of people that like to have fun. Being in that group also increases my chances of finding a mate and thus reproducing.

Arguing that playing within a group makes that group vulnerable to a predator is simply wrong.
We are always stronger together.
It's why the phrase "Divide and conquer" came into being.

They guy says that play itself makes one vulnerable, not play among groups, he would agree with what you said, he also talks about sleep.

This just strengthens my view that individualism does nothing good for society in the long term, hence capitalism is bad...The End. Smartass

Right. Except that the foundation of capitalism is human interaction. A man on a desert island cannot be a capitalist, nor a consumer of capitalist goods and services.

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11-06-2013, 06:41 PM
RE: Religion in Evolution
(11-06-2013 10:26 AM)bbeljefe Wrote:  Right. Except that the foundation of capitalism is human interaction. A man on a desert island cannot be a capitalist, nor a consumer of capitalist goods and services.
You just had to go and poke the nest, didn't you?
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11-06-2013, 09:13 PM
RE: Religion in Evolution
(11-06-2013 06:41 PM)LostLocke Wrote:  
(11-06-2013 10:26 AM)bbeljefe Wrote:  Right. Except that the foundation of capitalism is human interaction. A man on a desert island cannot be a capitalist, nor a consumer of capitalist goods and services.
You just had to go and poke the nest, didn't you?
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11-06-2013, 09:50 PM (This post was last modified: 11-06-2013 10:34 PM by fstratzero.)
RE: Religion in Evolution
(05-06-2013 12:25 PM)I and I Wrote:  http://www.robertbellah.com/religioninhu...ution.html

I am reading this great book, that no it doesn't argue for religion, it is examining what role religion played in human evolution since religion is man made.

The book deals with psychology, philosophy and history and pretty much any field of study, so I had no idea where to put this topic.

What role do you guys think religion played in early human development?

I like your topic.

First things first applying psychology to the past will always be a fun speculation. Do not confuse it with science or truth.

After that point, I think it's fun to think of ways it could have been useful. I'm going to use bullet form to point out some things I think religion might have been useful.

*It allowed smaller groups of people to create a larger in-group. Ie you believe in my gods, you are my brother.

*It gave people things to do to becomes more emotionally close to one another. IE dancing, coming of age rituals, etc

*and all the classical things humans need emotionally, false sense of control over the world, explanations of the world, etc.

All of these things would have been important to an emergance race of hominids that needed to socialise. Because those things would help them survive in groups.

The sad thing is in modern times and antiquity there have been tribes who haven't even heard of doing such things and never gave god, or gods any thought.

Which means that if you use these tribesman as analogues for early humans it simply wasn't a requirement.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirah%C3%A3_people

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11-06-2013, 09:53 PM
RE: Religion in Evolution
(11-06-2013 09:50 PM)fstratzero Wrote:  First things first applying psychology to the past will always be a fun speculation. Do not confuse it with science or truth.


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11-06-2013, 10:16 PM
RE: Religion in Evolution
(11-06-2013 09:53 PM)bbeljefe Wrote:  
(11-06-2013 09:50 PM)fstratzero Wrote:  First things first applying psychology to the past will always be a fun speculation. Do not confuse it with science or truth.


Blink

There is a thing called evolutionary psychology. It's about applying psychology to our ancient pre-recorded historical past.

Unlike psychology where all your ideas for causes and treatments begins by testing them on people, ending with results. Evolutionary psychology tries explain behaviors with out being able to test them, because all their subjects are dead. With out being able to work with their subjects, it's all speculation at best. Still a fun subject, just not verifiable.

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