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20-02-2012, 05:53 PM
Religion's Expiration Date
OK, I know most of us here agree that religion has already "expired". However, this is not what I meant by the title. What I mean, is that, continuing the analogy, in our point of view, religion has "expired", but when will we finally "throw it away"? Unless I'm off here, I believe that irreligion will continue to grow, and with the continued conversion of the religious (I think that it is overall, harder to convert a nonreligious person to a religious person, than a religious person to a nonreligious person, or that you can convert more people into atheists than religious people, given that the converts have equal access to both sides of the argument and are free to choose their path), and the continued increase in the scope of the explanations of science, irreligion, whether it be atheism, agnosticism, or any of a range of secular beliefs, will eventually overtake religion, and eventually, religion will be mostly wiped out (I'm pretty sure that, at least for a very long while, there will continue to be a percentage of religious people, even if the idea of religion becomes ridiculed after a while).

Sorry if that's hard to read, by the way. I tend to write long sentences, whether in a forum post or a school essay.

My question to you is to say two approximate times (not in terms of years necessarily, and please, no reeking sarcasm Big Grin, unless its in good humor)
about this, the first, when irreligion will take over religion, and second, when religion becomes obsolete (well, it really already is, but I mean, when the vast majority of people view religion as silly).

I know that in some countries (European I believe), atheism is very well tolerated and accepted, for the most part. I mean worldwide; the U.S. is still religious, mostly,
and the Islamic countries are definitely very religious, with the African countries having many religions, along with Asia.

As a USA-er, I'll be glad when religion will be viewed as a nuisance, harmful, and detrimental to society (at least the major religions that really do harm the population), or at least when irreligion becomes accepted. I'm tired of hearing these super-religious government leaders in the news everyday, I'm tired of people thinking that atheism is Satanism, that atheists are inherently evil, that evolution means we came from monkeys, that intelligent design should be taught in classes, that we should never let an atheist become president, etc.

Well, I really was ranting there for a second, excuse me. I would just like to know, in your opinion, when all of this will come to some resemblance of a stop!
Also, anyone hear of that "coming-out" party somewhere? I think Richard Dawkins is attending it and I forgot the rest of the details. Anyone going?
Thanks!

Sample answers may include: in the next 50 years, in 100 years, when science provides an example of abiogenesis that the general populace can understand (I know there are a few examples, one with protobionts and the formation of amino acids, another with pyrimidine formation), if we find life on Mars, or a moon of Jupiter, or something, when the very gradual conversion of religious people finally overcomes the population, never, etc.

Thanks! Also, hopefully you specify an answer not too far in the future, because as a high-school student, I hope that I have enough years left in me to witness this date! God willing (wink wink)!

"Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned" - Anonymous
I am glad to live where there is no God, for I am moral, and mortal; I do not wish to worship He who crafts an immoral immortality.
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20-02-2012, 05:59 PM
RE: Religion's Expiration Date
Religion expired more than a thousand years ago and since then it is just interfering with the progress of humanity, education a science, etc.

Religion is like some meat that should have been thrown out years ago, but it still sits in the fridge, reeking like an outhouse.

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20-02-2012, 07:29 PM
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I think by the end of this decade we'll see quite a large growth of atheist and agnostic people around the world. I doubt it will be a calculated majority in most first world countries in that time but it will at least be common to see people who are openly atheist or agnostic.
The key to knowing when religion will fall to a tiny percent of retards who can't figure it out is watching the children. I've found that many older people i talk to didn't even know what the word atheist was until mid teens at the soonest. Now kids 10 years and younger are far more likely to encounter the idea even through strange mediums like gaming.
Once we observe children using belief in god as a common reason to harass and pick on religious kids, that will be a very big sign that the time is coming. I predict we'll see the younger generations abandoning religion within 20 years at most .(it seems to be happening more and more even now) So give them another 20 -30 years to grow up and 'hold the stick' and it adds up to about 50 years.

Religion will never be truly stomped out obviously(not for a very very very long time), especially in third world countries. 50 years it seems like a fair amount of time to assume it will become laughable by the majority though. If anything it will only hang by a thread due to power hungry old men trying to keep their views in tact.

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20-02-2012, 08:24 PM
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Well, even if scientists find new evidence. the religious usually warp their beliefs around the new evidence. They agree to let's say evolution, but they modify their interpretation of the Bible, from literal comprehension of The Creation to a metaphorical comprehension. Noticed how the moderate believers go from "God created the world in seven Earth days" to "God created the world in seven days, one day being few million years" to "It is God who planted the origin of life, who set the parameters of the universe to allow life to flourish" to "God exists out of time and space , evidence of his existence will be through his finely set parameters."

From my experience, they usually place God in a position that you are unable to argue against, a safety blanket for God in other words.

Religion has expired, I agree with you on that, but people will not throw it out. Those who seek solace and comfort will usually turn to religion, where the community of people and the belief in a God that protects them will provide said comfort, and best of all the services are free. Until secular charity organisations become the majority to satisfy the emotional need of people, religion is here to stay, like a mouldy cheese, still delicious to some even though it's way past its expiry date.

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20-02-2012, 08:27 PM
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If we are talking the US we may can use a projection from the atheist polls.
15 years ago there were about 8% atheist. Now some say 18%?
Others say that closet atheists will come out when the it becomes "cool" to be an atheist and that estimate is wildly guessed from 20% to 50%, Who knows?

So religion in the US has about 20 to 30 years of life if we follow Europe. There will be hold outs and a resurgence before it finally dies. To kill it off completely is not possible, but to partition it off as a laughable proposition is possible.

Ridicule is the weapon of choice for the “believers”.
We have to make it embarrassing to believe in gods and man-gods saviors.
Logic is not the answer. Wall them off from the normal people with mockery.

The old gods are dead, let's invent some new ones before something really bad happens.
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21-02-2012, 04:12 AM
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Wikipedia puts the number atheists in the US as 9% in 2004. But these polls are horrendously innaccurate....

Regardless of the numbers, it's obvious that in Europe & America we're definately secularising as a culture. Whilst we slap ourselves on the back for our social maturity....Alas the same cannot be said for Africa (0% atheists in Nigeria). Becuase of the population explosion in Africa & India, the number of atheists is going down globally, not up. That worrires me...

(20-02-2012 08:27 PM)Thomas Wrote:  Others say that closet atheists will come out when the it becomes "cool" to be an atheist and that estimate is wildly guessed from 20% to 50%, Who knows?

I've heard this called the 'Brokeback Mountain' moment for atheists...not really sure how I feel about that!

"Christianity is like a diet where you eat lots of chocolate cake all week, and then on Sunday you mentally scold yourself and "try again" only to repeat the cycle." - Buddy Christ
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21-02-2012, 05:01 AM
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Prophecy...
"when irreligion will take over religion?" July 22nd 2032, lunchtime
"when religion becomes obsolete?" September 7th 2044, around 7:30 pm
Don't ask why. No evidence is required for prophecy.

I think we should look at the cause of why religion persists and learn from Diderot "Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest" i.e. we should arrest all priests / mullahs / rabbi / apologists for crimes against reality.

dredmal has a point about chilldren ... Most of you know the best way to get over an ex, right? ... Fall in love with someone else and / or demonise the ex. B-leevers need a new bf / gf, that's all .
Sheep will follow a shepherd so lets create a new science-based shepherd who can start an intellectual revolution; maybe a hot Korean pop singer or, as dredmal mentioned gaming: I've never gamed so I wouldn't know but maybe is there a game where at the end of each level, your heroic character defeats an angel and at the top level you defeat god. I'd buy that. Maybe on the way, your character can stop masacre of first-borns, tribal genocide, rescue a child from being stoned etc.
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21-02-2012, 09:58 AM
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in 10,000 years religion will be as relevent as justin beiber will be.
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21-02-2012, 10:31 AM
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21-02-2012, 12:48 PM
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Religion is a lot like expired milk,really.
Once you get the taste of it you can expect to have a severe diarrhea next morning.

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