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25-05-2011, 01:40 PM
RE: Religions of the World 101 with Professor Buddy Christ
I don't think the sea dragon is pushing LSD. Though I would be lying if I said the thought had not crossed my mind.
Weedy, when you lead me out of the proverbial cave and "into the light", will you be able to describe to me in detail using words what I am seeing? Will you be able to tell me in detail why I am seeing what I am seeing, and what consequences this has? Or will you rely on me having the same experience as you, so that you and I can share in some undefinable knowledge which we can not put into words? What is the point of knowledge if we can not understand it and apply it using our critical faculties?
I would say that any knowledge so loosely weaved is more likely to be based on a shared delusion than a shared understanding. A delusion probably provoked into existence by the very enlightened master you speak of.

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25-05-2011, 02:03 PM
 
RE: Religions of the World 101 with Professor Buddy Christ
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B. Christ wrote:
And seadragon... nobody wants to buy LSD off of you so that they can walk out
of the proverbial cave.

you continuously reference me to LSD
you have experience?
tell me about it
the closest i've ever gotten to psychotropics is writing a paper on
d-lysergic acid diethylamide

i'm an elite athlete and high-end artist
i keep my system clear so i have the most clarity possible for this body
in sport, i could get injured, even killed
so
i keep my senses sharp by watching what goes in the pie hole



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25-05-2011, 02:09 PM
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I've been ignored.

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25-05-2011, 02:24 PM
 
RE: Religions of the World 101 with Professor Buddy Christ
(25-05-2011 01:40 PM)Norseman Wrote:  I don't think the sea dragon is pushing LSD. Though I would be lying if I said the thought had not crossed my mind.

seriously?
man, i'm finding the atheist class of human is just as narrow and
ignorant and closed as the religious class
you're reinforcing that perception...



Weedy, when you lead me out of the proverbial cave and "into the light", will you be able to describe to me in detail using words what I am seeing? Will you be able to tell me in detail why I am seeing what I am seeing, and what consequences this has? Or will you rely on me having the same experience as you, so that you and I can share in some undefinable knowledge which we can not put into words? What is the point of knowledge if we can not understand it and apply it using our critical faculties?

are you playing faux dumb here?
or, are you truly saying you do not trust your own perceptions and
need to be told what you are experiencing?
i cannot do that for you...



I would say that any knowledge so loosely weaved is more likely to be based on a shared delusion than a shared understanding. A delusion probably provoked into existence by the very enlightened master you speak of.

any knowledge acquired is by you and your effort
nobody can do it for you
if you do not trust yourself to know what you perceive
that is a problem of your making

i can show you a door
you can open it or not
that's called personal choice

the only delusion i see here
is your claiming one
that would be your doing

is this atheist rhetoric?
is this the way you meet the unknown?
your argument reads canned and not true to research and realization
from understanding of acquired knowledge
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25-05-2011, 03:02 PM
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This is not atheist rhetoric, it is philosophical reasoning.
It is correct that i do not trust my own perceptions. The human mind is far to easily deceived to warrant such trust. If there is no way to rationally explain what I am experiencing, then it is much to likely that I am being deceived.

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25-05-2011, 03:23 PM
 
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(25-05-2011 03:02 PM)Norseman Wrote:  This is not atheist rhetoric, it is philosophical reasoning.

ok


It is correct that i do not trust my own perceptions. The human mind is far to easily deceived to warrant such trust.
If there is no way to rationally explain what I am experiencing, then it is much to
likely that I am being deceived.

i don't have your experience in being deceived
so i don't know what it's like to feel that way about my perceptions

fact is
i implicitly trust my perceptions
if i didn't, i would have died a long time ago

i have found through experience in time, my brain is not how i see
it is my mind

when i'm in a high-speed no-time-to-think situation
i have to trust my perceptions (my senses)
and that trust has gotten me through the most gnat's ass hair
close-call moments

i've been in extreme sports since... forever
i broke my little finger at 16
my toe at 17
cut my arm at 18
and then
dialed in so clear
i haven't been hurt since
and that's because i trust my perceptions implicitly

the trust i have on the outside in time/space easily translated to the inside
so...
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25-05-2011, 11:39 PM
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I agree that you have to trust your perceptions in situations when there is little time for contemplation.
To base your view on reality on this however, is unwarranted. You have your whole life to sort that out.
I believe that when you say that you have never been deceived, you are simply not thinking hard enough. Think about all the times you have been had in by optical illusions and magic tricks. These depend entirely on our minds ability (and willingness) to be deceived.

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26-05-2011, 12:53 AM
 
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(25-05-2011 11:39 PM)Norseman Wrote:  I agree that you have to trust your perceptions in situations when there is little time for contemplation.

this is where i have been trying to draw the distinction between brain and mind
to make clear the difference
to show thinking is in the way of "seeing"

brain thinks
mind perceives

i found that out in extreme sport

brain: thinking takes time, processing takes time
mind: perceiving is instant, it's direct to body

and
i have found contemplation takes place in the past
because the brain only processes past material
it does not function in the present

whenever i think
i become disconnected from my body, from my senses

when i am in a present state, in mind
i see what is
("see" being all my senses are engaged)

at university i was a sharp and swift thinker
i developed a methodology for research paper writing that was so efficient
i had professors asking me to do research for them
i wasn't interested
i developed my system so i could hoe through a paper and get out
study was my necessity
sport was my passion



To base your view on reality on this however, is unwarranted. You have your whole life to sort that out.

i don't understand what you're saying here:
"base my view on reality... my whole life to sort that out"



I believe that when you say that you have never been deceived, you are simply not thinking hard enough. Think about all the times you have been had in by optical illusions and magic tricks. These depend entirely on our minds ability (and willingness) to be deceived.

now
here we are at exactly my point of distinction between brain and mind...

you say: "think hard enough" and "minds ability to be deceived"

in my experience
my brain thinks and my brain can be deceived
but
my mind does not think and it does not get deceived

you know how your brain can be all awash with noise and clatter of thought?
well, in mind, there is no noise and there is no clatter
that's why i prefer being of mind and not of thought

that's what takes place in my studio
i paint in a noiseless present state of being
i don't think of anything
i don't have to
it's a great sensation
i love it...

i first realized the difference between mind and brain through sport
the more extreme the sport
the clearer i could see

whitewater kayaking was the pinnacle
for one thing
a rapid is so crashing and pounding
your thinking is over-run by the sheer noise
and then
the necessity to be present and instant in movement is so necessary
you do it out of survival... at first
but then it becomes massive pleasure

me and all the guys i yakked with would dive into a rapid and carve
the shit out of it
playing on the edge of the knife

ecstatic is an understatement...



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26-05-2011, 05:16 AM
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I think I see better what you mean now. You are just trying to draw the line between reflexes and conscious thought. In this case I don't see what you need your enlightened masters for in the first place.
Keep in mind though that your senses can also be deceived. My personal choice in extreme sports is deep water diving, and we have one well known example of this. It is not seldom for a diver to loose control of what is up or down. A dangerous problem as I am sure you can see. If I ever find myself in such a situation I need to use my conscious thought to solve the problem. (The simple solution btw is to see which way your bubbles are going.)

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26-05-2011, 11:52 AM
 
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(26-05-2011 05:16 AM)Norseman Wrote:  I think I see better what you mean now. You are just trying to draw the line between reflexes and conscious thought.

mmm... i'm trying to get you to see and understand the difference between
mind and brain

reflexes are mindless and thoughtless
reflexes are a part of the body system as heart beating and lung breathing
you don't think of it or have mind of it
unless you put attention to it
otherwise the body system is running on reflex

i have been talking about being in attention, in consciousnesses, of what is
taking place


In this case I don't see what you need your enlightened masters for in the first place.

i had a question about enlightened masters
i did not say i needed one

i notice they are a unique kind of person that has been historically and ever
present
having met one
i can see what i read about them
and
being unusual people, i could also see what they have in common



Keep in mind though that your senses can also be deceived. My personal choice in extreme sports is deep water diving, and we have one well known example of this. It is not seldom for a diver to loose control of what is up or down. A dangerous problem as I am sure you can see. If I ever find myself in such a situation I need to use my conscious thought to solve the problem. (The simple solution btw is to see which way your bubbles are going.)

excellent example

it takes past experience to think
without past references, you would have nothing to process, to think about

you seem to misunderstand me on why and what i am about in making
mind and brain distinction

i do not discount brain
it's useful, like a tool
i use my brain to problem solve same as you

but
i do not use my brain to experience life
if i did, i would be watching a movie that already took place

what i mean by that is
if i waited for an experience in life to go through my brain to reach my
consciousness, it would have already taken place

i would not only have been late to the party
the party would already be over

in a state of present being, of consciousnesses in mind, i am in life as it
unfolds, directly, with no brain activity

the moment i start thinking, life moves ahead and onward while i'm taking
the time to crunch the data and reprocess back to my consciousness

the party is already over...
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