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13-10-2013, 06:57 PM
RE: Religious moderates: a step in the right direction or cover for extremists?
(13-10-2013 06:02 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  I think we can all agree it is easier to live with mocktail muslims © , cafeteria christians, buffet buddhists than it is to deal with the hardcore version of each.
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13-10-2013, 07:05 PM
RE: Religious moderates: a step in the right direction or cover for extremists?
(13-10-2013 06:54 PM)DLJ Wrote:  
(13-10-2013 06:04 PM)Crimson Flyboy Wrote:  The goal as a see it is to live in a peaceful world where people are not dicks to one another.

Then you have answered your own question.

Every person wrt any view / opinion / stance... religion, fenimism, racial stuff, whatever... can be placed (or place themselves) on a bell curve.

The vast majority will be around the middle i.e. moderate.

There are the extremes and always will be.

Take away the extremes and guess what... you still have extremes but actually more people will be adherents to the new extremes.

This is a lesson I learned from a fellow TTA member (Ghost).

Removing extremes eventually leads to 100% moderate views... peace on earth, harmony and then, interestingly enough, stagnation.

Imagine what life would be like without those pesky extremists who started claiming the world wasn't flat!

The search for truth needs extremists to activate the moderates.

Cool, huh?

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13-10-2013, 07:07 PM
RE: Religious moderates: a step in the right direction or cover for extremists?
(13-10-2013 06:42 PM)Crimson Flyboy Wrote:  
(13-10-2013 06:15 PM)grizzlysnake Wrote:  We are on the same page. But god isn't an metaphor to the moderate, is it? I'm concerned that moderates can very well lead to extremists. I'm sure moderates go to church for more secular reasons such as community and friendship and are fed this watered down christianity by the priest. To actually read about the atrocities at first could be very off putting. Now what if they were led to that for say a few years. Would they view it as batshit crazy or would they accept it? This is what worries me.

Good point, religious moderates make it easier for extremists to live in society. The moderates give them cover and make them seem more reasonable. Sam Harris had this to say:

http://youtu.be/_4syU7MC-1w

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13-10-2013, 07:11 PM
RE: Religious moderates: a step in the right direction or cover for extremists?
(13-10-2013 07:05 PM)grizzlysnake Wrote:  
(13-10-2013 06:54 PM)DLJ Wrote:  Then you have answered your own question.

Every person wrt any view / opinion / stance... religion, fenimism, racial stuff, whatever... can be placed (or place themselves) on a bell curve.

The vast majority will be around the middle i.e. moderate.

There are the extremes and always will be.

Take away the extremes and guess what... you still have extremes but actually more people will be adherents to the new extremes.

This is a lesson I learned from a fellow TTA member (Ghost).

Removing extremes eventually leads to 100% moderate views... peace on earth, harmony and then, interestingly enough, stagnation.

Imagine what life would be like without those pesky extremists who started claiming the world wasn't flat!

The search for truth needs extremists to activate the moderates.

Cool, huh?

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that is if the extremists don't kill everyone else firstTongue

Won't happen.

Moderates have the advantage of numbers.

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13-10-2013, 07:30 PM
RE: Religious moderates: a step in the right direction or cover for extremists?
(13-10-2013 06:57 PM)DLJ Wrote:  
(13-10-2013 06:02 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  I think we can all agree it is easier to live with mocktail muslims © , cafeteria christians, buffet buddhists than it is to deal with the hardcore version of each.
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13-10-2013, 07:57 PM
RE: Religious moderates: a step in the right direction or cover for extremists?
(13-10-2013 07:11 PM)DLJ Wrote:  
(13-10-2013 07:05 PM)grizzlysnake Wrote:  that is if the extremists don't kill everyone else firstTongue

Won't happen.

Moderates have the advantage of numbers.

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And if extremist get their hands on nuclear weapons? You just might spit out that coffee.
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13-10-2013, 10:46 PM
RE: Religious moderates: a step in the right direction or cover for extremists?
(13-10-2013 07:57 PM)grizzlysnake Wrote:  And if extremist get their hands on nuclear weapons? You just might spit out that coffee.

Nah.
I doubt that Singapore will be the first target.
And it's hot chocolate.

The moderates have more 'peace-weapons'.

Even when a right-wing, evangelical, end-times nutter gets into the White House, there are enough checks and balances (and non-nuclear weapons profiteers) to keep a lid on state sanctioned extremism.

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13-10-2013, 11:22 PM
Religious moderates: a step in the right direction or cover for extremists?
(13-10-2013 05:49 PM)Crimson Flyboy Wrote:  On one hand religious moderates are much more tolerant than religious extremists, and much safer too. Moderation might be a step in the right direction on the path to a reasonable world. But on the other hand religious moderates give cover for religious extremists. Moderates make religion appear much more palatable and less objectionable. What do you think?

One should hold moderates only responsible for their own beliefs and actions. So in general I would not say that they give cover for extremists.
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14-10-2013, 04:39 AM
RE: Religious moderates: a step in the right direction or cover for extremists?
(13-10-2013 10:46 PM)DLJ Wrote:  
(13-10-2013 07:57 PM)grizzlysnake Wrote:  And if extremist get their hands on nuclear weapons? You just might spit out that coffee.

Nah.
I doubt that Singapore will be the first target.
And it's hot chocolate.

The moderates have more 'peace-weapons'.

Even when a right-wing, evangelical, end-times nutter gets into the White House, there are enough checks and balances (and non-nuclear weapons profiteers) to keep a lid on state sanctioned extremism.
lol oh no. You thought I was talking about them? Only threat from them is theocracy. I'm more concerned with the islamic extremists.
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14-10-2013, 06:07 AM
RE: Religious moderates: a step in the right direction or cover for extremists?
(13-10-2013 05:49 PM)Crimson Flyboy Wrote:  <snip> But on the other hand religious moderates give cover for religious extremists. Moderates make religion appear much more palatable and less objectionable. What do you think?

I think that this is more complicate (I'll speak only about Christianity). In my country (France) "cafetaria catholics" are the majority of believer. In the other hand you can find the "Non-Traditional Catholic Pro-Vatican II" and "Traditional Catholics against Vatican II". Also you can find the "evangelicals".

Yes , I think that moderates make religion appear much more palatable and less objectionable. Why I think that ?

1.Moderates did never read the whole Bible like the fundies.
Therefore the Bible seem to contain morale etc...
Also the fundies seem more credible than moderates because they like quote Bible verses.


2.They accept scientifical facts like ("age of the earth ,evolution theory , heliocentrism ," etc...)
Therefore who will say that they are obscurantists people ?

3.Fundamentalists and Progressive Christians are in a theological conflict. Who will win ? nobody.
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