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13-11-2016, 11:10 AM
Replace electoral college with weighted direct vote?
So the benefit of the electoral college is that it gives extra weight to states with smaller populations whose voices would otherwise get completely drowned out by the urbanized states. Why not just use the exact same elector/population ratio per state and use that as a weight for direct votes instead, so that everyone's vote literally still counts, instead of a large portion of a state's votes going unrepresented when their electoral college casts the "winner takes all" real vote?

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13-11-2016, 11:40 AM
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I say we draw lots.......

Loser with the short straw has to be President....

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13-11-2016, 11:44 AM
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(13-11-2016 11:40 AM)onlinebiker Wrote:  Loser with the short straw has to be President....
I like that wording. It's quite fitting for such a shitty job.

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13-11-2016, 11:48 AM
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(13-11-2016 11:44 AM)cactus Wrote:  
(13-11-2016 11:40 AM)onlinebiker Wrote:  Loser with the short straw has to be President....
I like that wording. It's quite fitting for such a shitty job.

There was a short story I read about the President of this one planet who wore a thing around his neck that would explode if someone pushed a button. It was fun watching Our Hero as he tried to keep everybody happy. The concept still appeals to me.
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13-11-2016, 11:59 AM
RE: Replace electoral college with weighted direct vote?
(13-11-2016 11:10 AM)cactus Wrote:  So the benefit of the electoral college is that it gives extra weight to states with smaller populations whose voices would otherwise get completely drowned out by the urbanized states. Why not just use the exact same elector/population ratio per state and use that as a weight for direct votes instead, so that everyone's vote literally still counts, instead of a large portion of a state's votes going unrepresented when their electoral college casts the "winner takes all" real vote?

I don't understand what the advantage of switching to your proposed system would be. If you have a problem with "winner take all" why not use Maine's system? Well, we could, the states decide if they want that or not. So, why don't they? Republican states don't want to give the Democrats any extra votes, and Democratic states don't want to give Republicans any more votes. If you want serious reform, the voting methodology is far from our biggest problem. Let's start by getting money out of politics, and putting debates in the hands of the Government, rather than a corrupt duopoly. After that we can discuss the efficacy of the Electoral College. I would rather use the Alternative Vote method.

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13-11-2016, 12:03 PM
Replace electoral college with weighted direct vote?
The current system works fine.
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13-11-2016, 12:05 PM (This post was last modified: 13-11-2016 12:09 PM by EvolutionKills.)
RE: Replace electoral college with weighted direct vote?
Go with the Alternative Vote, also known as instant-runoff voting.

You vote for your candidates by order of preference. Everyone vote is counted according to their order of preference. If no candidate has enough of the vote to win, eliminate the candidate with the least amount of votes, and take all of those ballots and redistribute them among the remaining candidates according to the ballot's next preferred candidate. Tally the votes again, if no candidate had enough of a percentage to win, eliminate the least popular indicate and redistribute their ballots again. Repeat until the first candidate reached the victory threshold.

Plus, it eliminates the spoiler effect.




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24-11-2016, 11:37 AM
RE: Replace electoral college with weighted direct vote?
(13-11-2016 11:10 AM)cactus Wrote:  So the benefit of the electoral college is that it gives extra weight to states with smaller populations whose voices would otherwise get completely drowned out by the urbanized states. Why not just use the exact same elector/population ratio per state and use that as a weight for direct votes instead, so that everyone's vote literally still counts, instead of a large portion of a state's votes going unrepresented when their electoral college casts the "winner takes all" real vote?

Any changes proposed at the national level will be vetoed by Republicans for the foreseeable future. Or until they experience the absurdity of losing an election despite more Americans voting them. We've been promoting pro-democracy movements around the world, yet we need one right in our own backyard.

A more plausible approach that might work is the national popular vote proposition http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/.

The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee the Presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states and the District of Columbia. Written Explanation It has been enacted into law in 11 states with 165 electoral votes (CA, DC, HI, IL, MA, MD, NJ, NY, RI, VT, WA). It will take effect when enacted by states with 105 more electoral votes. Most recently, the bill was passed by a bipartisan 40–16 vote in the Republican-controlled Arizona House, 28–18 in Republican-controlled Oklahoma Senate, 57–4 in Republican-controlled New York Senate, and 37–21 in Democratic-controlled Oregon House. It has passed on house in 12 states with 96 electoral votes (AR, AZ, CO, CT, DE, ME, MI, NC, NM, NV, OK, OR).
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My own preference?

The electoral college is an anachronism that should be discarded. The winner must win the popular vote and meet certain requirements such as a significant percentage of votes in a certain minimum number of states. Perhaps popular vote and 40% of the vote in at least 25 states and 25% of the vote in another 10. Either way, no approach should be able to overturn a popular vote.

If a winner cannot be determined in the first attempt, a run-off election follows between the top two candidates with the winner being first past the post. This might just put the US election system on a par with civilized nations.

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24-11-2016, 11:46 AM
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Replace it with direct votes. The presidency has an effect on every American.
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24-11-2016, 12:03 PM (This post was last modified: 24-11-2016 12:10 PM by Lord Dark Helmet.)
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This will only get worse for democrats over the next 8 years. Democrats keep leaving other states and move to places like California and Seattle and New York. They're boosting the populations in a few states and will have smaller numbers in every other state. The electoral college will begin to doom them every election. Shifting demographics aren't helping them either, since african Americans and potential target Hispanic groups are mainly in democratic strongholds already.

And republicans are fleeing those places and moving to states with better gun laws like Florida, Arizona and Texas giving them a boost.

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