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24-11-2011, 08:14 AM
Republicans insane; want to establish theocracy
As I’ve found by writing on this site, on-Americans are continually astonished by the extreme degree of both religiosity and idiocity of Republicans in America. Without living here, it’s hard to apprehend how soaked in God our country really is. If you want a graphic demonstration, here’s a two-hour-plus video of the “Thanksgiving Family Forum,” a meeting of six Republican presidential candidates in Iowa. They include

Congresswoman Michele Bachmann

Herman Cain

[ex] Speaker Newt Gingrich

Congressman Ron Paul

Texas Governor Rick Perry

Senator Rick Santorum

Start at 36 minutes in if you want to skip the opening prayers, Pledge of Allegiance, and other religious and and patriotic requisites and get right to the insanity of the candidates themselves.





Or, better yet, just skip this and read Rick Saletan’s piece in Slate, “Rule of the Lord,” which summarizes what these politicians have in mind for America. Here are a few salient quotes:

Herman Cain:

What we are seeing is a wider gap between people of faith and people of nonfaith. … Those of us that are people of faith and strong faith have allowed the nonfaith element to intimidate us into not fighting back. I believe we’ve been too passive. We have maybe pushed back, but as people of faith, we have not fought back.

Rick Perry:

Somebody’s values are going to decide what the Congress votes on or what the president of the United States is going to deal with. And the question is: Whose values? And let me tell you, it needs to be our values—values and virtues that this country was based upon in Judeo-Christian founding fathers . . . in every person’s heart, in every person’s soul, there is a hole that can only be filled by the Lord Jesus Christ.

Michele Bachmann:


American exceptionalism is grounded on the Judeo-Christian ethic, which is really based upon the 10 Commandments. The 10 Commandments were the foundation for our law. That’s what Blackstone said—the English jurist—and our founders looked to Blackstone for the foundation of our law. That’s our law . . . I have a biblical worldview. And I think, going back to the Declaration of Independence, the fact that it’s God who created us—if He created us, He created government. And the government is on His shoulders, as the book of Isaiah says.

Rick Santorum:

Unlike Islam, where the higher law and the civil law are the same, in our case, we have civil laws. But our civil laws have to comport with the higher law. … As long as abortion is legal—at least according to the Supreme Court—legal in this country, we will never have rest, because that law does not comport with God’s law. . . The idea that the only things that the states are prevented from doing are only things specifically established in the Constitution is wrong. Our country is based on a moral enterprise. Gay marriage is wrong. As Abraham Lincoln said, the states do not have the right to do wrong. … As a president, I will get involved, because the states do not have the right to undermine the basic, fundamental values that hold this country together.

And Newt Gingrich
, who argues that we should abolish the courts’ power to review the constitutionality of laws:

I am intrigued with something which Robby George at Princeton has come up with, which is an interpretation of the 14th Amendment, in which it says that Congress shall define personhood. That’s very clearly in the 14th Amendment. And part of what I would like to explore is whether or not you could get the Congress to pass a law which simply says: Personhood begins at conception. And therefore—and you could, in the same law, block the court and just say, ‘This will not be subject to review,’ which we have precedent for. You would therefore not have to have a constitutional amendment, because the Congress would have exercised its authority under the 14th Amendment to define life, and to therefore undo all of Roe vs. Wade, for the entire country, in one legislative action.


Don’t think for a moment that if religious candidates like these get the upper hand, they won’t do everything in their power to convert their religious values into laws that apply to all of us. And accommodationists wonder why we’re so hard on religious belief! Because, of course, only rarely is such belief a purely private matter. If you think you have God-given truth and morality, it’s almost imperative that you try to impose your values on everyone else, including those who disagree. It’s the Inquisition in latter-day form.

If one of these Republican clowns get elected, it will require the complicity of the religious “moderates” we’re supposed to coddle. Remember that not everyone supporting these people is a fundamentalist or Biblical literalist.



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24-11-2011, 10:02 AM
RE: Republicans insane; want to establish theocracy
Yeah, America is becoming more fucked up by the minute. I don't like living above you guys because at some point I assume you will attack us for not being christian enough, and your leaders will say it's what the founding fathers really wanted.

You know what's truly scary? I think I know more about what your founding fathers actually wanted than the majority of americans, and definitely more than your potential leaders. It's really not that hard to read, so I find it sad that there are so many people saying lies about what the original americans actually wanted. There are shit tonnes of actual quotes and letter written by those guys all over the internet, not to mention easy access to your constitution, and yet lies are spread so quickly and accepted as truth. I have to wonder if it's because americans are gullible or if it's because the lies being spread fit more comfortably with the majority of it's population and are swallowed willingly. That happens here in canada too. If a lie is favorable it is suddenly accepted as true.

I think that the fundies running for office in the states are definitely taking advantage of americas poor economic standing and using fear as a tool for establishing power. It's kind of what they do, they spread like a disease. A disease that needs serious treatment.

I think that if these clowns get into power over there you are going to have a new kind of religious battle on your hands. The faithful versus the rational. All the quiet atheists thinking that you can live and let live with these people are going to have a rude awakening as rights are stripped from them, and hateful anti atheist comments become more accepted. a theocracy is something to worry about for sure. Look at all the theocracies in the world today. Not happy vacation spots. religions tend to swallow up peoples freedoms and happiness and the only people who get any joy out of them are the ones in charge. Funny thing to, is all the christians voting for these people strictly because of their religious views don't understand how unsafe and unhappy they will undoubtedly become in a full on theocracy. They think it's safer. They in a word, are oblivious. Unfortunately the ignorance of the many will probably be the thing that kills us all. Unless we sack up and deal with this shit before it gets worse.

Being PC doesn't work when we are the only ones doing it.

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24-11-2011, 12:12 PM (This post was last modified: 24-11-2011 12:15 PM by mysticjbyrd.)
RE: Republicans insane; want to establish theocracy
The republicans plan for winning in 2012 has been to vote no on absolutely anything and everything, and do their damnedest to run the country into the ground. Then when everything is in the toilet, point the finger at the democrats and go, "You see what they did, do you want that to happen again? No, well vote for me instead". And they are the ones who fucked it up in the fist place, and now are sabotaging the recovery, just so they can win an election.

These religious right wing nuts are truly crazy.
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24-11-2011, 01:29 PM
RE: Republicans insane; want to establish theocracy
This country has been a theocracy alla my life... Tongue

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26-11-2011, 05:30 PM
RE: Republicans insane; want to establish theocracy
I realize atheists are not a homogenous group, but a conservative atheist that chooses to affiliate with these Republicans is the equivalent of a Log Cabin Republican - for those not familiar with the term, homosexual republicans that essentially vote against their self interest...

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26-11-2011, 07:19 PM
RE: Republicans insane; want to establish theocracy
Much too confusing. We need a one-party system.

Anarchy. Party on! Big Grin

(I know people find identity in these terms, republican, democrat; but these chains of causality clearly indicate that I have devised technocratic anarchy as a resultant of "attempting the consideration of being a conservative republican" in the past. It was easier to create jargon than to decode jargon for this unit)

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26-11-2011, 07:39 PM (This post was last modified: 26-11-2011 10:42 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Republicans insane; want to establish theocracy
(24-11-2011 10:02 AM)lucradis Wrote:  Yeah, America is becoming more fucked up by the minute. I don't like living above you guys because at some point I assume you will attack us for not being christian enough, and your leaders will say it's what the founding fathers really wanted.

Nah, we're gonna eventually come after you for your oil, natural gas, and other natural resources. We're just gonna say it's 'cause you just ain't christian enough. Manifest destiny, brother. Wink

(24-11-2011 10:02 AM)lucradis Wrote:  You know what's truly scary? I think I know more about what your founding fathers actually wanted than the majority of americans, and definitely more than your potential leaders.

Well, our current leader is a Constitutional scholar, so you probably don't know more about them than he does. But as far as the current potential Republican candidates, I ain't gonna argue. Wink

(24-11-2011 10:02 AM)lucradis Wrote:  It's really not that hard to read, so I find it sad that there are so many people saying lies about what the original americans actually wanted. There are shit tonnes of actual quotes and letter written by those guys all over the internet, not to mention easy access to your constitution, and yet lies are spread so quickly and accepted as truth. I have to wonder if it's because americans are gullible or if it's because the lies being spread fit more comfortably with the majority of it's population and are swallowed willingly. That happens here in canada too. If a lie is favorable it is suddenly accepted as true.

They're just borrowing a tactic Goebbels' first accused Churchill of employing. Only to then later further refine and master the idea for himself.

"One should not, as a rule, reveal one’s secrets, since one does not know if and when one may need them again. The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous."

Fuck us if we fall for that again, ... think we might goddam deserve it if we're still that fucking dull.

(24-11-2011 10:02 AM)lucradis Wrote:  I think that if these clowns get into power over there you are going to have a new kind of religious battle on your hands. The faithful versus the rational. All the quiet atheists thinking that you can live and let live with these people are going to have a rude awakening as rights are stripped from them, and hateful anti atheist comments become more accepted. a theocracy is something to worry about for sure.

Fortunately, I have already exercised my Second Amendment Rights in anticipation of just such an encounter. Think I will find it much easier to argue the Constitutional Separation of Church and State against a Bible thumper pointing a gun at me if I'm pointing one back at him. (And that's the only reason me and mine own guns, we don't hunt, we don't shoot skeet, we bring them out once a year at the range to make sure we still know how to use them, clean them, and then put them back in the gun safe.)

(26-11-2011 05:30 PM)Seasbury Wrote:  I realize atheists are not a homogenous group, but a conservative atheist that chooses to affiliate with these Republicans is the equivalent of a Log Cabin Republican - for those not familiar with the term, homosexual republicans that essentially vote against their self interest...

As a 30+ year conservative atheist who has been a registered Republican his entire voting life (also 30+ years), I concur. I will not condone or support this behavior, I will fight it with ridicule. And I will defend myself against it with much stronger means.

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27-11-2011, 03:04 PM (This post was last modified: 27-11-2011 03:14 PM by Kaos MD.)
RE: Republicans insane; want to establish theocracy
The 2012 republican platform:
1. Everything Obama did, is doing, or will do is bad
2. Don't change anything, even though it's fubar.
3. Establish a religious theocracy and shove the bible down the throats of every American citizen.

@ludacris I would feel the same way too. However, living here makes me more worried because the limits of stupidity in this country are constantly expanded everyday.
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28-11-2011, 12:38 PM
RE: Republicans insane; want to establish theocracy
When the least theocratic candidate is a Mormon, you know something is definitely wrong here. Sad

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29-11-2011, 07:50 PM
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(27-11-2011 03:04 PM)Kaos MD Wrote:  The 2012 republican platform:
1. Everything Obama did, is doing, or will do is bad
2. Don't change anything, even though it's fubar.
3. Establish a religious theocracy and shove the bible down the throats of every American citizen.

@ludacris I would feel the same way too. However, living here makes me more worried because the limits of stupidity in this country are constantly expanded everyday.

This - And the real problem with Republicans is the constant need to remind everyone that it's you fault if you don't have a job, that the rich do their part, and God loves you - except that Obama will not allow God to find you a job, it wouldn't be fair. (sarcasm)

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