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18-12-2013, 03:40 PM
RE: Repudiating Homosexuality Is Wrong Because Why?
Developing empathy and tolerance if far more beneficial to human kind at this point then reproducing.
I guess that means that PJ is the one dragging the humanity back and lagging behind in an evolutionary sense.

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18-12-2013, 03:47 PM
RE: Repudiating Homosexuality Is Wrong Because Why?
(18-12-2013 12:13 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  If we are placing the value of humanity solely on the ability to reproduce, then we should also repudiate the severely mentally handicapped, sterile men, menopausal women, or individuals whose injuries prevent them from reproducing.

Sounds good, Hitler.

aw crap. Did I just Godwin?

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18-12-2013, 06:05 PM
RE: Repudiating Homosexuality Is Wrong Because Why?
I would propose that if as a heterosexual you abhor homosexuality that you stop reproducing. Homosexuals can't produce more homosexuals!


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18-12-2013, 06:52 PM
RE: Repudiating Homosexuality Is Wrong Because Why?
Jesus didn't marry or reproduce, he spent most of his time hanging out with twelve dudes and we know for sure he was on kissing terms at least with Judas.

You do the math... Consider

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18-12-2013, 07:04 PM
RE: Repudiating Homosexuality Is Wrong Because Why?
(18-12-2013 11:54 AM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  If there is no god, than we should all look to/hope for survivability-enhancing opportunities that are naturally evolving. Since a homosexual homo sapiens pair cannot reproduce, we should consider the repudiation of homosexuality natural and life-affirming. In fact, designed evolution should enhance any anti-homosexual stance.

Discuss. Thanks.

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18-12-2013, 08:10 PM
RE: Repudiating Homosexuality Is Wrong Because Why?
(18-12-2013 11:54 AM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  If there is no god blah blah blah

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18-12-2013, 08:12 PM
RE: Repudiating Homosexuality Is Wrong Because Why?
(18-12-2013 12:13 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  If we are placing the value of humanity solely on the ability to reproduce, then we should also repudiate the severely mentally handicapped, sterile men, menopausal women, or individuals whose injuries prevent them from reproducing.

Sounds good, Hitler.

aw crap. Did I just Godwin?

It was going to happen any way, KC.

(18-12-2013 02:17 PM)Reltzik Wrote:  PS: What is "designed" evolution? That sounds almost like a contradiction in terms.

Quite fittingly for PJ, it's an oxymoron you got right there.

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18-12-2013, 11:00 PM
RE: Repudiating Homosexuality Is Wrong Because Why?
(18-12-2013 11:54 AM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  If there is no god, than we should all look to/hope for survivability-enhancing opportunities that are naturally evolving. Since a homosexual homo sapiens pair cannot reproduce, we should consider the repudiation of homosexuality natural and life-affirming. In fact, designed evolution should enhance any anti-homosexual stance.

Discuss. Thanks.

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18-12-2013, 11:09 PM
RE: Repudiating Homosexuality Is Wrong Because Why?
(18-12-2013 12:17 PM)Paleophyte Wrote:  
(18-12-2013 11:54 AM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  If there is no god, than we should all look to/hope for survivability-enhancing opportunities that are naturally evolving. Since a homosexual homo sapiens pair cannot reproduce, we should consider the repudiation of homosexuality natural and life-affirming. In fact, designed evolution should enhance any anti-homosexual stance.

This little bit of bigotry begins with the false assumption that the well-being of a society is tied to the ability of it members to procreate. It's painfully obvious that the author of the OP should neither be permitted to reproduce nor raise children.

It's too late for that he already trained his kids up with some PVC pipe.



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18-12-2013, 11:40 PM
RE: Repudiating Homosexuality Is Wrong Because Why?
(18-12-2013 02:17 PM)Reltzik Wrote:  
(18-12-2013 11:54 AM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  If there is no god, than we should all look to/hope for survivability-enhancing opportunities that are naturally evolving. Since a homosexual homo sapiens pair cannot reproduce, we should consider the repudiation of homosexuality natural and life-affirming. In fact, designed evolution should enhance any anti-homosexual stance.

Discuss. Thanks.

Where to begin.

First of all, this notion that you have where no god means evolution? Shitcan that right now. Evolution is not automatically arrived at without the existence of a god. Rather, evolution is evaluated through examining extensive evidence exhibited in existence.

Second. I will repeat myself. You. Do. Not. Understand. Evolution. And after all the times we've had this discussion, it's obvious that you never will, so while I'll address my comments to you, I'm actually speaking to anyone else who might be reading this thread. While we might find an evolutionary chain of causation leading to the instincts (eg empathy) that form the underlying basis of human morality, evolution does not dictate morality in the sense that you think it does. Evolutionary theory is explanatory, descriptive, and predictive. It is not prescriptive or proscriptive. It tells us how things happened, what happened, and what is likely to happen. It does not tell us what to do and what not to do. You are confusing eugenics with genetics, Social Darwinism with real Darwinism, which is a common and low equivocation put forward by the most wretchedly disingenuous leaders of right-wing Christianity and the cretinous suckers who believe their lies. (I'll refrain from speculating on which category you fall in.) Knowing that certain behaviors will result in higher or lower populations does not tell us to pursue one behavior or the other. By your logic, knowing that gravity makes people fall would create a moral imperative to push people off of cliffs.

Third, there's a difference between "life-affirming" and "maximized output". "Life affirming" does not condone, say, forcible copulation (ie rape) of women at every potentially fertile moment to produce as many babies as possible. (Nor would your maximization logic actually reject additional, same-sex copulation under those circumstances.) You completely ignore issues of quality of life, memetic reproduction, societal structure, kinship, and attempt to reduce the entirety of healthy human existence and sexual activity to a single variable.

Finally, why do I object to the "repudiation" of homosexuality? Well, repudiation is a very interesting word, and my objection depends on the nature of your repudiation. Not counting a form of divorce, it means basically "refusing to accept". Well if that's all you're doing, I have no objection at all. DON'T accept it. Cover your eyes, stick your fingers in your ears, and go "LALALALALA!" in attempt to drown out the sound of a society that has the gall to actually disagree with you. Become a hermit locked in your house, never emerging. More power to you! If you want help in that, I'll happily glue your lock shut. But when you do more than simply refuse to accept it; when you become an agent of oppression; when you and your socially conservative ilk salivate at the notion of regressing society to the age of Stonewall beatings and Inquisitorial burnings for homosexuality but discover to your dismay that the civilized world no longer tolerates your brand of religious bigotry wielding a bloody sword and calling it virtue; when in your despair you opt for a rearguard of stalled incrementalism; when you call the bullying of gay teenagers freedom of religion for the bullies; when you call the beating of a child who shows the slightest imagined homosexual trait to be good parenting; when you call the denial of the right to be at a loved one's hospital bedside a defense of marriage; when you call exclusion from the military of an able-bodied soldier willing and able to defend the country patriotism; when you channel your money and missionary efforts into engineering the lifelong imprisonment of homosexuals in developing nations like Uganda (oops, wait, your conservative Christianity was aiming for the death penalty... missed it by THAT much); when you not-so-secretly dream of expanding your persecution to infidels and heathens, other races and the other sex, to every other category that is other than you; when, in short, you bring your lies, falsehoods, hatreds and other symptoms of your faith into the public domain and attempt to distort society with them; why then, I'll be there, objecting most strongly, and seeking to block you at every turn.

PS: What is "designed" evolution? That sounds almost like a contradiction in terms.

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