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02-12-2012, 07:12 PM
RE: Respect for Religion
There is a distinction to be drawn between respect for the religion, and respect for people who happen to be religious.

Regarding the people, just because they have SOME religion doesn't mean they are blinkered, blindered, bullied, or bastards. (There are exceptions to this, of course.) Respect them or don't as you normally would. Their religion is just one facet of many that make them up.

Regarding the religions themselves... well, there's another distinction to be made here, between Religion As Written, versus living tradition. The first is what one figures the religion to be based on its "official" writings and dogmas, and the second is what emphasis and actual beliefs (however divergent with those official doctrines) the religious cling to. A lot of people emphasize the first. It's a steady and easy thing to figure, because it's less subjective, easier to pin down, doesn't move around as much. Call this the theory. I put much more emphasis on the practice, because that's what is actually at WORK in the world. Calling attention to discrepancies between the two is a useful tactic in trying to modify a person's practice, but whining and gnashing your teeth JUST because people don't believe or act the way members of their religious category theoretically should, accomplishes exactly nothing.

That said, focus on their practice. In practice, does their religion guide them to charitable acts, understanding and compassion, a humility in their understanding of the world and general acceptance of those around them, and a healthy sense of self-esteem and being accepted? Bully for them. Sure, it's not the ONLY way a person can arrive at those ends, nor perhaps the best way, but (in this case) the religious beliefs are producing real good for both the believer and those around him/her. Respect the crap out of anything that does that, religion or no, implausible hookiness or no.

And if religious belief, in practice, makes a particular person bigotted, condescending, angry, hurtful, fearful, conflicted, arrogant, and an all-around ass? Disrespect the crap out of it. If avoiding stepping on their toes makes decent tactical sense, respect it like you would a landmine. If steamrolling over it makes good tactical sense, fire up the steamroller.

Contrary to what others might say, both types of consequence exist in practice, as does a greyscale between them, so take a moment to distinguish between these. And always bear in mind that it's about the individual practice, and not the abstract theory.

"If I ignore the alternatives, the only option is God; I ignore them; therefore God." -- The Syllogism of Fail
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Respect for Religion - Marcus - 02-12-2012, 04:16 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Irishdize - 02-12-2012, 04:25 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - fstratzero - 02-12-2012, 04:36 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Logica Humano - 03-12-2012, 08:13 AM
RE: Respect for Religion - Marcus - 02-12-2012, 04:45 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - fstratzero - 02-12-2012, 04:49 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - PoolBoyG - 02-12-2012, 04:52 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - hedgehog648 - 02-12-2012, 05:31 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Leela - 02-12-2012, 06:21 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Elesjei - 04-12-2012, 02:18 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Thinkerbelle - 02-12-2012, 06:42 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Reltzik - 02-12-2012 07:12 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - cufflink - 02-12-2012, 09:31 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - amyb - 02-12-2012, 08:42 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Reltzik - 02-12-2012, 09:56 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - cufflink - 02-12-2012, 11:26 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - DLJ - 02-12-2012, 11:39 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - cufflink - 03-12-2012, 01:43 AM
RE: Respect for Religion - Free Thought - 02-12-2012, 11:16 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - amyb - 03-12-2012, 12:31 AM
RE: Respect for Religion - Marcus - 03-12-2012, 01:45 AM
RE: Respect for Religion - DLJ - 03-12-2012, 02:15 AM
RE: Respect for Religion - Marcus - 03-12-2012, 07:04 AM
RE: Respect for Religion - Vosur - 03-12-2012, 10:17 AM
RE: Respect for Religion - Tetrarch - 03-12-2012, 03:09 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Vosur - 03-12-2012, 03:35 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Tetrarch - 03-12-2012, 03:46 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Vosur - 03-12-2012, 03:48 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - ideasonscribe - 03-12-2012, 07:03 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Vosur - 04-12-2012, 08:41 AM
RE: Respect for Religion - ideasonscribe - 04-12-2012, 02:10 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Vosur - 04-12-2012, 03:06 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Ghost - 04-12-2012, 07:19 AM
RE: Respect for Religion - Marcus - 04-12-2012, 12:25 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Marcus - 05-12-2012, 02:19 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Logica Humano - 04-12-2012, 08:56 AM
RE: Respect for Religion - Logica Humano - 04-12-2012, 08:59 AM
RE: Respect for Religion - ShirubaDangan - 04-12-2012, 03:48 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Aseptic Skeptic - 04-12-2012, 04:24 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Ghost - 04-12-2012, 05:31 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - TarzanSmith - 05-12-2012, 07:16 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Ghost - 05-12-2012, 09:56 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Marcus - 06-12-2012, 01:49 AM
RE: Respect for Religion - ddrew - 06-12-2012, 02:06 AM
RE: Respect for Religion - Marcus - 08-12-2012, 05:20 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Ghost - 08-12-2012, 11:29 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Marcus - 11-12-2012, 08:26 AM
RE: Respect for Religion - Ghost - 11-12-2012, 02:57 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Free Thought - 11-12-2012, 04:24 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Vosur - 11-12-2012, 04:36 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Ghost - 11-12-2012, 05:56 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Vosur - 12-12-2012, 10:21 AM
RE: Respect for Religion - Chas - 12-12-2012, 10:47 AM
RE: Respect for Religion - Ghost - 12-12-2012, 11:11 AM
RE: Respect for Religion - Marcus - 15-12-2012, 05:18 AM
RE: Respect for Religion - ScienceGeek2587 - 15-12-2012, 02:24 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Ghost - 15-12-2012, 08:14 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Chas - 15-12-2012, 08:47 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Ghost - 15-12-2012, 09:07 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Chas - 15-12-2012, 09:33 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - fstratzero - 15-12-2012, 10:58 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - ScienceGeek2587 - 15-12-2012, 09:23 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Ghost - 16-12-2012, 07:51 AM
RE: Respect for Religion - Chas - 16-12-2012, 09:13 AM
RE: Respect for Religion - ScienceGeek2587 - 16-12-2012, 10:28 AM
RE: Respect for Religion - fstratzero - 16-12-2012, 06:47 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - DLJ - 17-12-2012, 03:45 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - fstratzero - 16-12-2012, 07:04 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Ghost - 17-12-2012, 10:44 AM
RE: Respect for Religion - Chas - 17-12-2012, 01:14 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Free - 17-12-2012, 01:20 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Ghost - 17-12-2012, 03:12 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Chas - 17-12-2012, 03:28 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Ghost - 17-12-2012, 04:55 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - fstratzero - 17-12-2012, 08:35 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - DLJ - 18-12-2012, 03:58 AM
RE: Respect for Religion - fstratzero - 17-12-2012, 08:40 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Ghost - 18-12-2012, 06:26 AM
RE: Respect for Religion - Chas - 18-12-2012, 06:52 AM
RE: Respect for Religion - fstratzero - 18-12-2012, 07:38 AM
RE: Respect for Religion - DLJ - 18-12-2012, 08:00 AM
RE: Respect for Religion - Ghost - 18-12-2012, 07:38 AM
RE: Respect for Religion - fstratzero - 18-12-2012, 08:05 AM
RE: Respect for Religion - Ghost - 18-12-2012, 09:38 AM
RE: Respect for Religion - fstratzero - 18-12-2012, 09:43 AM
RE: Respect for Religion - DLJ - 19-12-2012, 07:26 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - ScienceGeek2587 - 19-12-2012, 12:59 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Ghost - 19-12-2012, 02:58 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - ScienceGeek2587 - 19-12-2012, 05:59 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Ghost - 19-12-2012, 11:12 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - fstratzero - 20-12-2012, 07:17 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - ideasonscribe - 20-12-2012, 07:59 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - ScienceGeek2587 - 19-12-2012, 11:56 PM
Respect for Religion - Erxomai - 20-12-2012, 01:00 AM
RE: Respect for Religion - ScienceGeek2587 - 20-12-2012, 01:40 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Ghost - 20-12-2012, 08:54 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Chas - 20-12-2012, 09:01 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - fstratzero - 20-12-2012, 10:31 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - fstratzero - 20-12-2012, 10:49 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Ghost - 20-12-2012, 09:34 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - GirlyMan - 20-12-2012, 10:00 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - DLJ - 20-12-2012, 10:20 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Starcrash - 20-12-2012, 11:22 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - ScienceGeek2587 - 20-12-2012, 11:35 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Ghost - 20-12-2012, 11:46 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - fstratzero - 21-12-2012, 12:51 AM
RE: Respect for Religion - Ghost - 21-12-2012, 12:02 AM
RE: Respect for Religion - ScienceGeek2587 - 21-12-2012, 05:26 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Chas - 21-12-2012, 07:58 AM
RE: Respect for Religion - Ghost - 21-12-2012, 12:11 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Chas - 21-12-2012, 02:57 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - DLJ - 21-12-2012, 04:01 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Ghost - 21-12-2012, 12:26 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - fstratzero - 21-12-2012, 05:17 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Ghost - 21-12-2012, 03:05 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Chas - 21-12-2012, 03:26 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Ghost - 21-12-2012, 03:46 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Chas - 21-12-2012, 04:05 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - fstratzero - 21-12-2012, 05:04 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Janus - 21-12-2012, 10:36 PM
RE: Respect for Religion - Ghost - 22-12-2012, 12:39 AM
RE: Respect for Religion - ScienceGeek2587 - 22-12-2012, 12:49 AM
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