Responding to a Catholic Critique of the Euthyphro Dilemma
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02-10-2016, 03:30 AM
RE: Responding to a Catholic Critique of the Euthyphro Dilemma
(02-10-2016 02:17 AM)Chas Wrote:  ..........
This has made a lot of people very angry ......
A lot of sinful people?
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02-10-2016, 06:06 AM
RE: Responding to a Catholic Critique of the Euthyphro Dilemma
(02-10-2016 03:28 AM)theBorg Wrote:  
(02-10-2016 02:17 AM)Chas Wrote:  ....... An atheist rejects all gods. ....
All the false gods?

Hello again dear Borg.

No, it is simply ALL claims for any diety.

If you can provide evidence... not some painting for example... but something tangible, testable etc then we who see no evidence for any deities will asses said evidence and then conclude as to whether you are presenting something that is (Or is not) a deity.

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02-10-2016, 06:27 AM
RE: Responding to a Catholic Critique of the Euthyphro Dilemma
Here's a painting of the Mona Lisa:

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God is not in this painting, checkmate Borgy!

Gods derive their power from post-hoc rationalizations. -The Inquisition

Using the supernatural to explain events in your life is a failure of the intellect to comprehend the world around you. -The Inquisition
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02-10-2016, 06:50 AM
RE: Responding to a Catholic Critique of the Euthyphro Dilemma
(11-10-2013 06:21 PM)Brickparade Wrote:  It seems to me that, the way we normally talk, “good” (as applied to people) is always some kind of analysis of a person’s actions. Why we would call those actions good is debatable, but it is a person’s actions—and their consequences—that morality is concerned with. When we say that someone is a “good person,” we mean that their actions are good. To say that someone’s nature is good, apart from actions, seems like confusion. I’m not even sure how to make sense of that.


That's not true, not everyone shares your moral philosophy, which as outlined above seems to be some form of consequentialism. Other moral views, don't see morality as judged by actions, but intention, or virtue, character etc...

Two people can commit the same act, of giving money to the homeless. One gave it to him out of genuine concern for his life, the other because the homeless man stunk, and he wanted him to move on and leave him alone. For those who judge morality as a matter of intention, only the one who did so out of genuine concern for the man did something morally good.

Or imagine a third man, who didn't give the homeless man money, because he also was concerned for the man's life, and didn't want him to spend money on drugs of alcohol. Even though he acted differently than the first man, he might still be seen as good because of his intentions here.

You personally might not agree with such moral judgements, but not everyone, including myself, is a consequentialist.

It seems to me that the catholic moral views of God, also don't see morality as a matter of actions either, but intent and character.

"Tell me, muse, of the storyteller who has been thrust to the edge of the world, both an infant and an ancient, and through him reveal everyman." ---Homer the aged poet.

"In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it."
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02-10-2016, 07:16 AM
RE: Responding to a Catholic Critique of the Euthyphro Dilemma
(02-10-2016 02:17 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(01-10-2016 10:49 PM)theBorg Wrote:  I see, what you are the thinking person.

1) When you get insulted because of envy, please look at your warning level. If it is zero percent - you are just been bullying.

It has already been explained to you the warning level is not used here. You are being very, very stupid. .........
And here came the rude denial tactic again.
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02-10-2016, 07:20 AM (This post was last modified: 02-10-2016 07:26 AM by theBorg.)
RE: Responding to a Catholic Critique of the Euthyphro Dilemma
(02-10-2016 06:06 AM)Peebothuhul Wrote:  
(02-10-2016 03:28 AM)theBorg Wrote:  All the false gods?

Hello again dear Borg.

No, it is simply ALL claims for any diety. ......
for any FALSE deity. Dear newcomer in atheistic community, be prepared to face here 1) the insults, the f-words. 2) you must read between the lines: the written sentence "no god" means "no FALSE god".
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02-10-2016, 11:09 AM
RE: Responding to a Catholic Critique of the Euthyphro Dilemma
Borg, are you trying to put forth the claim that we all know in our hearts that there is one true God and are just suppressing that knowledge? If you are, I don't think I can fully convey to you how utterly tired, trite, arrogant, stubborn, and wrong that claim is. This tactic is nothing new, sadly, but it is no more convincing than it is novel. It's a presumptuous and condescending bit of nonsense that is mostly just going to tick people off rather than persuade them. Do not presume to know what goes on in our heads. How would you feel if an atheist insisted that you know deep down that there is no god and are just kidding yourself for comfort's sake? Would you feel patronized? Good. Now you at least have an inkling for how we feel whenever anyone tries to pull a Bruggencate on us.

Technically, yes, we believe in no false god. But the inclusion of the word "false" is redundant, because as far as we're concerned, all gods are false and there is no true one, so it is far more efficient, logical, and informative to simply say we believe in no god. As has been said, show us objective evidence for a god (or, better yet, publish it in a peer-reviewed science journal), and we will readily reconsider, but until and unless you do that, we see no reason to believe in any deity. Period, end of story, no qualifying adjectives needed.

The only sacred truth in science is that there are no sacred truths. – Carl Sagan
Sōla vēritās sancta in philosophiā nātūrālī est absentia vēritātum sanctārum.
Ἡ μόνη ἱερᾱ̀ ἀληθείᾱ ἐν φυσικῇ φιλοσοφίᾳ ἐστίν ἡ ἱερῶν ἀληθειῶν σπάνις.
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02-10-2016, 11:26 AM
RE: Responding to a Catholic Critique of the Euthyphro Dilemma
(02-10-2016 11:09 AM)Glossophile Wrote:  ........ it is far more efficient, logical, and informative to simply say we believe in no god. .......
I am continuing to insist on "no false gods". The "no god" is absurd: open the Wikipedia! There is the notion.
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02-10-2016, 11:31 AM
RE: Responding to a Catholic Critique of the Euthyphro Dilemma
(02-10-2016 11:26 AM)theBorg Wrote:  
(02-10-2016 11:09 AM)Glossophile Wrote:  ........ it is far more efficient, logical, and informative to simply say we believe in no god. .......
I am continuing to insist on "no false gods". The "no god" is absurd: open the Wikipedia! There is the notion.




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02-10-2016, 11:42 AM
RE: Responding to a Catholic Critique of the Euthyphro Dilemma
You can insist on it all you want, Borg, but it doesn't change what we believe (or rather, don't believe). You're just barely making sense at this point. Are you trying to say there's evidence for a god on Wikipedia? And you think we're the absurd ones?

We believe in no gods. It's as simple as that. The sooner you accept that, the sooner we can move on to more productive discussion.

The only sacred truth in science is that there are no sacred truths. – Carl Sagan
Sōla vēritās sancta in philosophiā nātūrālī est absentia vēritātum sanctārum.
Ἡ μόνη ἱερᾱ̀ ἀληθείᾱ ἐν φυσικῇ φιλοσοφίᾳ ἐστίν ἡ ἱερῶν ἀληθειῶν σπάνις.
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