Responding to a Catholic Critique of the Euthyphro Dilemma
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02-10-2016, 11:48 AM
RE: Responding to a Catholic Critique of the Euthyphro Dilemma
(02-10-2016 11:26 AM)theBorg Wrote:  
(02-10-2016 11:09 AM)Glossophile Wrote:  ........ it is far more efficient, logical, and informative to simply say we believe in no god. .......
I am continuing to insist on "no false gods". The "no god" is absurd: open the Wikipedia! There is the notion.

It is not the notion that is in question, it is the existence of any actual god. Wikipedia is not evidence that any god exists.

You must be a poe; nobody could really be THAT stupid.

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02-10-2016, 04:11 PM
RE: Responding to a Catholic Critique of the Euthyphro Dilemma
(02-10-2016 07:20 AM)theBorg Wrote:  
(02-10-2016 06:06 AM)Peebothuhul Wrote:  Hello again dear Borg.

No, it is simply ALL claims for any diety. ......
for any FALSE deity. Dear newcomer in atheistic community, be prepared to face here 1) the insults, the f-words. 2) you must read between the lines: the written sentence "no god" means "no FALSE god".

No, you stupid twat, no god means no god. None. Zip. Nada. Zilch.

Take your insanity elsewhere. You have no evidence, you have no argument.

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02-10-2016, 04:24 PM
RE: Responding to a Catholic Critique of the Euthyphro Dilemma
(11-10-2013 11:00 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(11-10-2013 06:46 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  That's not the point. The POINT is, unless your deity is totally capriciously irrational, the STANDARD for the determination has to "exist", and the question is "where did that come from ?" No one cares what you believe, irrationally. Clearly you also don't get the dilemma. Weeping

To say something is moral or immoral is to make a judgment about that thing. Judgments can't exist without judges. When ever you have multiple judges the possibility exists that those judges will disagree. With that in mind I expect that my morality will not always agree with God's morality. I can accept that God is both all good and a tyrant. He is all good because he is the ultimate judge...his judgments supercede mine. He is tyrant because His morality isn't my morality. There is no dilemma.

Wrong Blowme. (I get that you're not here.)
You can't make judgements without STANDARDS.
That's the problem.

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02-10-2016, 08:08 PM
RE: Responding to a Catholic Critique of the Euthyphro Dilemma
(02-10-2016 07:20 AM)theBorg Wrote:  
(02-10-2016 06:06 AM)Peebothuhul Wrote:  Hello again dear Borg.

No, it is simply ALL claims for any diety. ......
for any FALSE deity. Dear newcomer in atheistic community, be prepared to face here 1) the insults, the f-words. 2) you must read between the lines: the written sentence "no god" means "no FALSE god".

And, again, I ask you for the actual evidence for any deity.

Again, so far, you have not provided anything.

Cheers dear Borg. Hug
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02-10-2016, 08:26 PM
RE: Responding to a Catholic Critique of the Euthyphro Dilemma
(02-10-2016 11:42 AM)Glossophile Wrote:  ........
We believe in no gods. ........
The notion of "god" is useful in various disciplines: theology, sociology, psychology, history, diplomacy, politics, and even in the non-secular physics and non-secular math. Therefore, plainly to say "we believe in no gods" is absurd.
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02-10-2016, 08:33 PM
RE: Responding to a Catholic Critique of the Euthyphro Dilemma
(02-10-2016 11:42 AM)Glossophile Wrote:  ........
We believe in no gods. ........

The above quote. ^

Is in no way actually addressed by the quote below. v

(02-10-2016 08:26 PM)theBorg Wrote:  The notion of "god" is useful in various disciplines: theology, sociology, psychology, history, diplomacy, politics, and even in the non-secular physics and non-secular math. Therefore, plainly to say "we believe in no gods" is absurd.

So, again, please provide your evidence for any deity. No hurry, most of us are patient and we'll wait.

The second post... is rather weird.

A) You make a claim => "The notion of "god" is useful in various disciplines: theology, sociology, psychology, history, diplomacy, politics, and even in the non-secular physics and non-secular math."

B) Then say. => "Therefore, plainly to say "we believe in no gods" is absurd."

Now, I know English is not your first language but even KermimF is doing better at parsing their messages.

(A) =/= (B)

The two sentences don't even refer to each other.

'B' does not actually follow 'A'.. Other than simply being typed/placed after 'A'.

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02-10-2016, 08:37 PM (This post was last modified: 02-10-2016 08:53 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Responding to a Catholic Critique of the Euthyphro Dilemma
(02-10-2016 08:26 PM)theBorg Wrote:  
(02-10-2016 11:42 AM)Glossophile Wrote:  ........
We believe in no gods. ........
The notion of "god" is useful in various disciplines: theology, sociology, psychology, history, diplomacy, politics, and even in the non-secular physics and non-secular math. Therefore, plainly to say "we believe in no gods" is absurd.

The idea that something is useful IN NO WAY says anything about it's existence.
"Thought experiment" ... Facepalm

Please go avail yourself of an education before you try to dump your crap ideas on us.
Or you could read "Logic for Dummies"

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02-10-2016, 08:44 PM
RE: Responding to a Catholic Critique of the Euthyphro Dilemma
(02-10-2016 08:26 PM)theBorg Wrote:  
(02-10-2016 11:42 AM)Glossophile Wrote:  ........
We believe in no gods. ........
The notion of "god" is useful in various disciplines: theology,

Theology is the study of nothing. There is no substance.

Quote:sociology, psychology,

To understand motivations for inhuman cruelty.

Quote:history,


To understand the spread of control through fear and intimidation.

Quote:diplomacy, politics,

To defend against crazy fundamentalists.

Quote:and even in the non-secular physics

There is no such thing.

Quote:and non-secular math.

There is no such thing.

Quote:Therefore, plainly to say "we believe in no gods" is absurd.

No, belief without evidence is absurd.

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02-10-2016, 08:52 PM
RE: Responding to a Catholic Critique of the Euthyphro Dilemma
(02-10-2016 08:26 PM)theBorg Wrote:  The notion of "god" is useful in various disciplines: theology, sociology, psychology, history, diplomacy, politics, and even in the non-secular physics and non-secular math.


I think you mean: comedy, indoctrination, social control, societal manipulation, charlatanism, quackery, pseudo-science, fiction, fantasy, fairy tales, myths & legend, etc.

(02-10-2016 08:26 PM)theBorg Wrote:  Therefore, plainly to say "we believe in no gods" is absurd.

Although your sentence is totally incorrect, it is actually coherent.

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02-10-2016, 11:28 PM
RE: Responding to a Catholic Critique of the Euthyphro Dilemma
(02-10-2016 08:26 PM)theBorg Wrote:  non-secular math

.... that....

.... how is that even a thing? Does pi magically become 3 in non-secular math? Does a god come along and somehow make x^2 + 1 have a real root?

...

... okay, I had to do some research, and apparently "secular equation" and "secular function" are alternative terms for a bunch of things, but nothing in contrast to a god. "Non-secular math" does not appear to exist. I'd guess it's an artifice of whatever translation software Borgy's using....

.... but seriously, math in which a god is relevant?

WTF?
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