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14-01-2012, 02:44 PM
Response to mad as hell podcast
I realize its kinda late for that, but the thing is that I download the podcasts and listen to thsomeem on the bus, so I got to that podcast jusr now.
Anyway, any time I have an argument with my dad about theism, his claims always come down to "well its something simple people like you and me are simply not meant to understand, and you just have to take the word of the rabbi that its true", or something along the lines of "well there has to be something that created the mechanism of natural selection, who could it be if not god?".
I mean, he always hides brhind these abstract, stupid claims and I get so frustrated about that..

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14-01-2012, 02:56 PM
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(14-01-2012 02:44 PM)avrahams1 Wrote:  I realize its kinda late for that, but the thing is that I download the podcasts and listen to thsomeem on the bus, so I got to that podcast jusr now.
Anyway, any time I have an argument with my dad about theism, his claims always come down to "well its something simple people like you and me are simply not meant to understand, and you just have to take the word of the rabbi that its true", or something along the lines of "well there has to be something that created the mechanism of natural selection, who could it be if not god?".
I mean, he always hides brhind these abstract, stupid claims and I get so frustrated about that..

"not meant to understand" assumes the existence of a god, doesn't it? So that's no argument.

"Something created ..." assumes that it is not simply a natural process. Again, FAIL.

Hang in there.

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14-01-2012, 03:17 PM
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The same thing happens to me. Any time I have a discussion with my parents it always comes down to, "It's just a feeling I have," or, "You just have to have faith."

Unbelievably frustrating.
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14-01-2012, 03:28 PM
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(14-01-2012 02:44 PM)avrahams1 Wrote:  I realize its kinda late for that, but the thing is that I download the podcasts and listen to thsomeem on the bus, so I got to that podcast jusr now.
Anyway, any time I have an argument with my dad about theism, his claims always come down to "well its something simple people like you and me are simply not meant to understand, and you just have to take the word of the rabbi that its true", or something along the lines of "well there has to be something that created the mechanism of natural selection, who could it be if not god?".
I mean, he always hides brhind these abstract, stupid claims and I get so frustrated about that..

So the rabbi isn't a simple human like you or your dad, some kind of ultra-human? If humans are "too simple" to understand god, how can he trust rabbi?
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14-01-2012, 04:12 PM
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i dont push my family often, but when i do i really push. the normal response in my family is 'no Undecided ' with no actual comeback my dad and older sister with an uncomfortable face and my little sister pissed of and calls me a ... shes 14 that doesnt really matter. it annoys me that they dont even want the truth, they dont even try apologist stuff

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15-01-2012, 12:39 AM
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(14-01-2012 03:28 PM)imralav Wrote:  
(14-01-2012 02:44 PM)avrahams1 Wrote:  I realize its kinda late for that, but the thing is that I download the podcasts and listen to thsomeem on the bus, so I got to that podcast jusr now.
Anyway, any time I have an argument with my dad about theism, his claims always come down to "well its something simple people like you and me are simply not meant to understand, and you just have to take the word of the rabbi that its true", or something along the lines of "well there has to be something that created the mechanism of natural selection, who could it be if not god?".
I mean, he always hides brhind these abstract, stupid claims and I get so frustrated about that..

So the rabbi isn't a simple human like you or your dad, some kind of ultra-human? If humans are "too simple" to understand god, how can he trust rabbi?
In his eyes yes, the rabbi is some privilaged super-human that we're not allowed to question... how do I go about disputing such an absurd claim?

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15-01-2012, 03:43 AM
RE: Response to mad as hell podcast
(15-01-2012 12:39 AM)avrahams1 Wrote:  
(14-01-2012 03:28 PM)imralav Wrote:  
(14-01-2012 02:44 PM)avrahams1 Wrote:  I realize its kinda late for that, but the thing is that I download the podcasts and listen to thsomeem on the bus, so I got to that podcast jusr now.
Anyway, any time I have an argument with my dad about theism, his claims always come down to "well its something simple people like you and me are simply not meant to understand, and you just have to take the word of the rabbi that its true", or something along the lines of "well there has to be something that created the mechanism of natural selection, who could it be if not god?".
I mean, he always hides brhind these abstract, stupid claims and I get so frustrated about that..

So the rabbi isn't a simple human like you or your dad, some kind of ultra-human? If humans are "too simple" to understand god, how can he trust rabbi?
In his eyes yes, the rabbi is some privilaged super-human that we're not allowed to question... how do I go about disputing such an absurd claim?

Now I am stuck. I have no idea how I would respond to that. I clearly see that it's bullshit, but I can't find a way of disputing it.
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15-01-2012, 07:55 AM
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(15-01-2012 12:39 AM)avrahams1 Wrote:  
(14-01-2012 03:28 PM)imralav Wrote:  
(14-01-2012 02:44 PM)avrahams1 Wrote:  I realize its kinda late for that, but the thing is that I download the podcasts and listen to thsomeem on the bus, so I got to that podcast jusr now.
Anyway, any time I have an argument with my dad about theism, his claims always come down to "well its something simple people like you and me are simply not meant to understand, and you just have to take the word of the rabbi that its true", or something along the lines of "well there has to be something that created the mechanism of natural selection, who could it be if not god?".
I mean, he always hides brhind these abstract, stupid claims and I get so frustrated about that..

So the rabbi isn't a simple human like you or your dad, some kind of ultra-human? If humans are "too simple" to understand god, how can he trust rabbi?
In his eyes yes, the rabbi is some privilaged super-human that we're not allowed to question... how do I go about disputing such an absurd claim?

How can we simple people determine who is the privileged super-human we should listen to?
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15-01-2012, 08:15 AM
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(15-01-2012 07:55 AM)Ben Wrote:  
(15-01-2012 12:39 AM)avrahams1 Wrote:  
(14-01-2012 03:28 PM)imralav Wrote:  
(14-01-2012 02:44 PM)avrahams1 Wrote:  I realize its kinda late for that, but the thing is that I download the podcasts and listen to thsomeem on the bus, so I got to that podcast jusr now.
Anyway, any time I have an argument with my dad about theism, his claims always come down to "well its something simple people like you and me are simply not meant to understand, and you just have to take the word of the rabbi that its true", or something along the lines of "well there has to be something that created the mechanism of natural selection, who could it be if not god?".
I mean, he always hides brhind these abstract, stupid claims and I get so frustrated about that..

So the rabbi isn't a simple human like you or your dad, some kind of ultra-human? If humans are "too simple" to understand god, how can he trust rabbi?
In his eyes yes, the rabbi is some privilaged super-human that we're not allowed to question... how do I go about disputing such an absurd claim?
Thanks, I'll try that next time.

How can we simple people determine who is the privileged super-human we should listen to?

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17-01-2012, 04:51 AM
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*I'll try it in the next debate with my dad:-)

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