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02-04-2015, 09:49 PM
RE: Revolution is inevitable, if not imminent
Nothing lasts forever..
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02-04-2015, 10:00 PM (This post was last modified: 02-04-2015 10:09 PM by Billy Bob.)
RE: Revolution is inevitable, if not imminent
Why not. It will be crushed.
The second amendment is dead. It died when cannon became decisive anti-personnel weapons. No individual owned cannon only communities, also known as well regulated militia. It died in 1864 when the government put down the secessionist south. It died when WW1 demonstrated complex and expensive weapons with destructive power an order of magnitude greater than any mass of armed individuals. Who owns the power?
A military coup and/or a civil war within the military supporting opposing political sides is more likely, but not over anything we have going on now.
If you mean a soft revolution, it is going on right now. Give it another fifty years and see who won and where.

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02-04-2015, 10:05 PM
RE: Revolution is inevitable, if not imminent
I don't believe a revolution is imminent, but if it happens then a fracturing is more likely than a massive takeover by any single entity. The balance of power differs too much from region to region, ranging from military to religious militia groups to Mexican gangs. Religious or not, I'd stick with the military.

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02-04-2015, 11:31 PM
RE: Revolution is inevitable, if not imminent
Look what the cat dragged in. Bad kitty, bad.

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04-04-2015, 01:17 PM
RE: Revolution is inevitable, if not imminent
(02-04-2015 03:58 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  I feel compelled to ask why it's a 'constitutional' revolution. To me, that just sounds like somebody is going to push an amendment through.

I'm trying to avoid the connotion that the revolution has to include riots and violence; although, riots have occurred in the past year. And basically, my complaint about the blacks rioting in Ferguson has to do with the politicains inability to produce the corrective legislation that would solve the problem that blacks perceive and allow the police to do the job that they are supposed to protect the innocent from the criminal minded types.

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04-04-2015, 01:24 PM
RE: Revolution is inevitable, if not imminent
(04-04-2015 01:17 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  
(02-04-2015 03:58 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  I feel compelled to ask why it's a 'constitutional' revolution. To me, that just sounds like somebody is going to push an amendment through.

I'm trying to avoid the connotion that the revolution has to include riots and violence; although, riots have occurred in the past year. And basically, my complaint about the blacks rioting in Ferguson has to do with the politicains inability to produce the corrective legislation that would solve the problem that blacks perceive and allow the police to do the job that they are supposed to protect the innocent from the criminal minded types.

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04-04-2015, 01:27 PM
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(02-04-2015 07:35 PM)Patriot10mm Wrote:  The last thing this country needs is a revolution. I'd like to see the constitution followed better by all political parties, but a full revolution? No way. As an atheist, that is just downright scary.
You do not understand that the system has always been corrupt, because the Constitution is inadequate - good chance it was meant to be corrupted

(02-04-2015 07:35 PM)Patriot10mm Wrote:  You know who owns the majority of guns in this country? Right wing christians. You know the makeup of our military? A majority of right wing christians.

Revolution, civil war, whatever you call it, if something like that happens we'll be transformed into a christian nation by force. The south won't lose next time.

No thanks.
See - you cannot even recognize that the reason I took the time to write a replacement constitutional system is to avoid the warring.

You're smart enough to recognize that every body is complaining about corrupt politics, but you are not smart enough to recognize that the eventual solution, even if there is a war, is a new constitution.

It is just absurd to believe that the constitution written in 1787 is anywhere near what the founders would write with today's knowledge and communications apparatus. Think of all the large conglomerate businesses, and their auditing techniques - you think the government of a 200 year old plan is indispensable, and that the national debt is the result of something other than the inefficiencies of a by-gone era?

The person who writes the inevitable constitution replacement is going to be very famous - don't you think? Should be incentive enough, but you won't find anything, except my candidate.

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04-04-2015, 01:30 PM
RE: Revolution is inevitable, if not imminent
(04-04-2015 01:24 PM)Chas Wrote:  Connotion? Consider

You are offended by a mispelling, that much?

That is what you want to pick on - can't figure it out, because you are so brilliant???

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04-04-2015, 01:38 PM (This post was last modified: 04-04-2015 01:43 PM by TrainWreck.)
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(02-04-2015 06:42 PM)Stark Raving Wrote:  Well shit. Glad to see you're still kicking and as batshit as ever.
As you were.

Yeah, I have only passed through to check on the forum a couple of time when the national discussion caused me to check on what the atheists are thinking.

I dedicated a lot of my time this past year working up the improved charter system so it is ready for conventions. pretty neat stuff that I got going.

From the Preamble that lays out the way to debate the 1787 Constitution by multiple courts each concerned with one of the seven articles, to a parade coming out of the United Nations - good fucking shit I got going.

Quote:003.60: property – We The People


Be advised that there is a tremendous effort to make this process as accessible as possible to the ungrateful masses of people, but order and reason will be upheld as paramount. It is expected that the conventions will be televised, and when practical, social media may be utilized in the official activities, indicating that a larger portion of the People are participating and understanding what it is We are doing before We do it.
004: commerce - Adoption Procedures for the Secular Library Charter System
004.10: sovereignty - Continental Congress

When the SLCS becomes the anticipated constitutional system the key step will be the adoption of formatted state charters by, at least, thirteen states successfully completing a reconstitution transition, so as, to justify the ambition of the federal charter, and compel the remaining states to join the union of formatted charters. The national conventions will then require the delegates for what will be the Fourth Continental Congress, and it should be expected that the state networks of municipal councils will appoint their governors, their attorneys general, their state network speakers, and three state jurists (or honored dignitaries), as will be necessary to reflect the proposed consolidated United States Congress – indicating that the necessary governing assemblies are available and committed to the mission of administrating the reorganized federal government.

Following a convention in Philadelphia the secured draft will be petitioned to the United States Supreme Court protesting for the reorganization of the federal government.
004.20: prosecution - Founders Assembly

Following successful litigation at the Supreme Court a petition for a Founders Assembly will be issued to convene at the United Nations General Assembly Hall to inaugurate the constitution, indoctrinate the judiciary, appoint the legislative officers, secure the federal seal system, commission the courts, charge the security agencies, and complete the documentation necessary for the sanctioned archives; thereby providing for the reconstitution of the daily routine of the courts, national security, and commencement of the new legislative and appointment procedures.

All members of the Founders Assembly will be allowed five minutes to demonstrate loyalty to constituency, and the inaugural officer appointments are advised to limit remarks to twenty minutes.

The United States Courts and Code will not incur any adverse disruption of service during the transition, because new constitutions effect the efficiency of the political system and not the majority of regulatory laws that are "already on the books," which can only be changed by the new legislative process, which should be responsive to correcting the inefficiencies and contradictions in the regulatory system that have been caused by the inefficiencies of the previous political system.
004.30: diplomacy - Document Parade

The certified documents from the Founders Assembly will be paraded from state to state by police escort exchanges of a United States Postal Service convoy for the states to enter the documents into their archives. Following a complete tour of the states, and allied nations, the secured federal constitution will be enshrined into a United States Archive vault in the District of Columbia.

All civil protests and contests must be registered with the local police services identifying all necessary aspects of the demonstrating assembly. Marching routes will be scheduled by the permits issued from the police to accommodate emergency and parade routes.

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04-04-2015, 01:41 PM
I put the fucking Superman line in it
Have you gotten that far, yet?

Quote:263.20: prosecution
The United States Network of Representatives has the authority of the states to issue Petitions of Contest in the pursuit of Truth, Justice, and the American Way, for the People of the United States.

No body will ever be able to recreate the sensation that that will generate.

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