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20-07-2013, 12:25 PM
Riot in France
Quote: Riot erupts in French town as veiled woman claims police brutality
A riot erupted in a town near Paris on Friday night after police stopped and charged a woman wearing the Islamic face-covering veil. Residents accused police of using violence against the woman's family, while police unions say her husband attacked an officer.

Source to read more (RFI [Mainstream French Radio]) : http://www.english.rfi.fr/france/2013072...-brutality

Others sources in English language :
1.The time of Israel (Jewish media) : http://www.timesofisrael.com/5-injured-i...ide-paris/
2.Galliawatch (French nationalist blog) : http://galliawatch.blogspot.fr/2013/07/m...-riot.html
3.If you have another source share this with us please.

Sources in French language :
1.RFI (Mainstream French Radio) : http://www.rfi.fr/france/20130720-trappe...ents-valls
2.RTL (Mainstream French Radio) : http://www.rtl.fr/actualites/info/articl...7763284564
3.Yahoo France (You know what is it) : http://fr.news.yahoo.com/trappes-tension...59973.html
4.Al Kanz (Muslim media) : http://www.al-kanz.org/2013/07/20/trappes-temoignage/
5.CCIF (Muslim media) : http://www.islamophobie.net/articles/201...e-violence
6.Ajib (Muslim media) : http://www.ajib.fr/2013/07/trappes-interpellation/
7.Islamisme.fr (Right wing) : http://www.islamisme.fr/scenes-de-gueril...missariat/
8.Riposte Laïque (Right wing) : http://ripostelaique.com/un-ramadan-guer...isent.html
9.Défrancisation (Right wing) : http://www.defrancisation.com/trappes-pl...de-police/
10.There are already many sources.
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20-07-2013, 12:56 PM
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Wow - that just sucks. Personally, I think anyone should be able to wear whatever they want. The police went to extremes in this situation if they did the things stated in the articles. So, I think protest would be the thing to do - bonfires and all.

I also think the niqab and certainly the burka is an infringement on freedom and it's a symbol that a woman is an owned piece of property.

See what happens when people believe shit. Dodgy

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20-07-2013, 01:11 PM
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(20-07-2013 12:56 PM)kim Wrote:  Wow - that just sucks. Personally, I think anyone should be able to wear whatever they want. The police went to extremes in this situation if they did the things stated in the articles. So, I think protest would be the thing to do - bonfires and all.

Face coverings are against the law in France. Rioting is bullshit. Do you realize you are supporting the Muslim right?

(20-07-2013 12:56 PM)kim Wrote:  I also think the niqab and certainly the burka is an infringement on freedom and it's a symbol that a woman is an owned piece of property.

If you ask the average Muslim woman if they want to wear the niqab, they feel compelled to say, "Yes." Can't they wear whatever they want?

(20-07-2013 12:56 PM)kim Wrote:  See what happens when people believe shit. Dodgy

Europe has a major problem with the Islamic right.

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20-07-2013, 01:47 PM
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Laws against headscarves have never made sense to me... you know there's something wrong with your country when the government has to legislate what you can or can't wear. Can't they find something less ridiculous to argue about ?
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20-07-2013, 03:40 PM (This post was last modified: 20-07-2013 03:45 PM by Luminon.)
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(20-07-2013 01:47 PM)morondog Wrote:  Laws against headscarves have never made sense to me... you know there's something wrong with your country when the government has to legislate what you can or can't wear. Can't they find something less ridiculous to argue about ?
Once upon a time there was a scary chain e-mail how Muslims work. They infiltrate a country and organize themselves. They seem peaceful enough until their numbers grow and then they start doing things like blocking streets for public prayers, burning cars and lobbying for halal (kosher) meat legislature. Halal meat production provides more jobs for muslims and that helps them grow and gain money on building more mosques. Maybe they try some laws, or maybe they try to control the streets in a way that the police can't enforce. Maybe they harass local women if they don't wear a niquab. They certainly do so in cases of their women.
Well, and before the locals blink, muslims are everywhere and swing above their weight in public decisions as fundies tend to do. While they ignore local authorities and answer directly to some hate-spitting senile ayatollahs in some desert hellhole, subverting the state authority.

The game of the state and nation is about symbols too and so playing with flags and dresses is a part of it. It's better to play with symbols because the only alternative is direct physical violence, that's what the state does. It is silly, but so is religion, national pride, indirect democracy and many other things this society is made of. It's our way of spraying gang tags and pissing on and scratching the trees to mark out territory. It's all for people with too small minds and hearts to embrace whole humanity, they need smaller vessels like nations and tribes for partial human identity. If we do things right, educate people and don't break the vessels, they should outgrow them.
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20-07-2013, 03:55 PM
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The more funny is probably the next fact :
Do you know that the majority of women who wear the niqab are indigenous French convert to Islam ? the majority of people who wear this clothe are salafis. The salafi Islam is a branch of sunni Islam.
There are some years the DCRI (Direction Centrale du Renseignement Intérieur [English : CDII , Central Directorate of Interior Intelligence] an equivalent of FBI in USA or MI5 in UK) said that there are around two thousand women wear this cloth in France.

To better understand :
1.Sunni Islam
2.Salafi Movement
3.DCRI
4.Hijab by country
5.Islamic scarf controvesy in France
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20-07-2013, 04:08 PM
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(20-07-2013 01:47 PM)morondog Wrote:  Laws against headscarves have never made sense to me... you know there's something wrong with your country when the government has to legislate what you can or can't wear. Can't they find something less ridiculous to argue about ?

The laws are in place so that they can easily identify individuals during terrorists threats. Since I live less than 5 hours away from Paris, I can tell you that those threat alerts are very often. Muslim radicals have recently been using women to sneak bombs into public places here in Europe.

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21-07-2013, 12:52 AM
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(20-07-2013 04:08 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  The laws are in place so that they can easily identify individuals during terrorists threats. Since I live less than 5 hours away from Paris, I can tell you that those threat alerts are very often. Muslim radicals have recently been using women to sneak bombs into public places here in Europe.

I'm sure there are justifications. Is it really true that legislating that people can't wear head-scarves makes you safer ? I mean I could just wear a jacket with bombs underneath...

Other countries don't legislate this regarding women.

I can see that it helps with ID so I can understand a law e.g. that says you must have no head covering in an ID photo...
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21-07-2013, 01:21 AM (This post was last modified: 21-07-2013 01:30 AM by kim.)
RE: Riot in France
(20-07-2013 01:11 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  Face coverings are against the law in France. Rioting is bullshit. Do you realize you are supporting the Muslim right?
I'm not "supporting" anyone. In general, I'm ambivalent about the entire situation.

(20-07-2013 01:11 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  
(20-07-2013 12:56 PM)kim Wrote:  I also think the niqab and certainly the burka is an infringement on freedom and it's a symbol that a woman is an owned piece of property.
If you ask the average Muslim woman if they want to wear the niqab, they feel compelled to say, "Yes." Can't they wear whatever they want?

Yes, I know; thus my original reply.

I think legislating what people wear is bullshit. Although I think extreme groups take advantage of this kind of situation just to cause mayhem, I also think enforcement of this legislation to be just as extreme.

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21-07-2013, 01:57 AM
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I'm with kim 100% on this one. This is a disgusting case of discrimination and religious intolerance. How would you feel in her shoes? Just think about it from her point of view as objectively as you can. Fuck France's garb laws.

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