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11-08-2015, 09:25 AM
RE: Rocks with bad intentions
(11-08-2015 09:01 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(11-08-2015 08:20 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  I never did get my proof of the rock's unintentions. Drinking Beverage

And I never did get you to provide me with what you mean by "rock's unintentions" either.

I mean the exact same thing you mean when you try to characterize the origin of the universe as unintentioned. Drinking Beverage

I have said that before...more than once. You need to actually read

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11-08-2015, 09:57 AM
RE: Rocks with bad intentions
(11-08-2015 09:25 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(11-08-2015 09:01 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  And I never did get you to provide me with what you mean by "rock's unintentions" either.

I mean the exact same thing you mean when you try to characterize the origin of the universe as unintentioned. Drinking Beverage

I have said that before...more than once. You need to actually read

I would never use the term "universe's unintentional".

If your saying you mean the exact same thing as when I characterize the origin of the universe as unintentional, are you just asking what would it mean to characterize a rock's origin as unintended?
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11-08-2015, 10:04 AM
RE: Rocks with bad intentions
(11-08-2015 09:57 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(11-08-2015 09:25 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  I mean the exact same thing you mean when you try to characterize the origin of the universe as unintentioned. Drinking Beverage

I have said that before...more than once. You need to actually read

I would never use the term "universe's unintentional".

If your saying you mean the exact same thing as when I characterize the origin of the universe as unintentional, are you just asking what would it mean to characterize a rock's origin as unintended?

"A claim that something was unintentional, was an accident, etc... is a positive claim. That's not claiming "nothing". If I claim that I shot my wife unintentionally, I am not claiming nothing."

"The universe is here would be analogous to the bullet in the head, in my example.

Intentionality is the same in both of these situations, at least in terms of the meaning of the word. Just like unintentional would be.

If I were to claim that the universe was a product of unintentional forces, the meaning of the word would be the same as implied in the bullet in the hole example."

"Any problems you see with claims of intentionality, would just as easily apply to claims of unintionality.

Any attempt to raise the status of one over the other, requires a great deal of confirmation bias to support."

There is no evidence or reason to assume unintentionality. There is no evidence that it is.

Person A can continue to believe he is unsure one way or the other, that there's isn't any evidence to side with one position over the other, to assume one as a default over the other, or even as a working hypothesis.

The only reason you prefer to start with unintentionality, is because you like it more, that's it."


You are straight up full of shit based on just a small sampling of your own words.


Prove that the rock unintentionally killed the man in the same way you characterize the position that the universe was unintentional when you construct your straw man around a misunderstanding of the word "intent" as it relates to non-conscious forces/objects.

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11-08-2015, 10:07 AM
RE: Rocks with bad intentions
Does the word "unintentional" make any sense in the context of a rock killing a man without the involvement of a conscious entity?

^This is the question you have been avoiding like the plague. Be honest for once. Drinking Beverage I will wait.

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11-08-2015, 11:45 AM (This post was last modified: 11-08-2015 11:48 AM by Tomasia.)
RE: Rocks with bad intentions
(11-08-2015 10:07 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Does the word "unintentional" make any sense in the context of a rock killing a man without the involvement of a conscious entity?

Yes it does. Even though we typically use other words in place of "unintentional". We say things that have the same implications.

Intentional: "Everything happens for a reason". "We are hear for a purpose."

Unintentional: "There's no rhyme or reason to it." "Life is all sound and fury, signifying nothing." "A freak accident" (which is how we could refer to the man's death). Or to quote RocketSurgeon: "It is a fluke. It's clear that it's a fluke. This is the term used by men like Hawking and Krauss and Feynman and Einstein....We are a cosmic accident,"

Can we say it was a freak accident, without the involvement of a conscious entity? The answer is yes. Can Rocketsurgean say what he said without the involvement of a conscious entity? The answer is yes.
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11-08-2015, 12:22 PM
Rocks with bad intentions
(11-08-2015 11:45 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(11-08-2015 10:07 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Does the word "unintentional" make any sense in the context of a rock killing a man without the involvement of a conscious entity?

Yes it does. Even though we typically use other words in place of "unintentional". We say things that have the same implications.

Intentional: "Everything happens for a reason". "We are hear for a purpose."

Unintentional: "There's no rhyme or reason to it." "Life is all sound and fury, signifying nothing." "A freak accident" (which is how we could refer to the man's death). Or to quote RocketSurgeon: "It is a fluke. It's clear that it's a fluke. This is the term used by men like Hawking and Krauss and Feynman and Einstein....We are a cosmic accident,"

Can we say it was a freak accident, without the involvement of a conscious entity? The answer is yes. Can Rocketsurgean say what he said without the involvement of a conscious entity? The answer is yes.

You're a fucking moron who can't even accept the basic premise that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.


Show me the rock's unintentions.

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11-08-2015, 12:27 PM
RE: Rocks with bad intentions
(11-08-2015 11:45 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(11-08-2015 10:07 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Does the word "unintentional" make any sense in the context of a rock killing a man without the involvement of a conscious entity?

Yes it does. Even though we typically use other words in place of "unintentional". We say things that have the same implications.

Intentional: "Everything happens for a reason". "We are *hear for a purpose."

Unintentional: "There's no rhyme or reason to it." "Life is all sound and fury, signifying nothing." "A freak accident" (which is how we could refer to the man's death). Or to quote RocketSurgeon: "It is a fluke. It's clear that it's a fluke. This is the term used by men like Hawking and Krauss and Feynman and Einstein....We are a cosmic accident,"

Can we say it was a freak accident, without the involvement of a conscious entity? The answer is yes. Can Rocketsurgean say what he said without the involvement of a conscious entity? The answer is yes.

*here

We do "hear" for a purpose.
We are not "here" for a purpose.

When we get done with this topic, can we discuss whether rocks looking at porn is a sin or not ?

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11-08-2015, 12:44 PM
Rocks with bad intentions
(11-08-2015 12:27 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(11-08-2015 11:45 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  Yes it does. Even though we typically use other words in place of "unintentional". We say things that have the same implications.

Intentional: "Everything happens for a reason". "We are *hear for a purpose."

Unintentional: "There's no rhyme or reason to it." "Life is all sound and fury, signifying nothing." "A freak accident" (which is how we could refer to the man's death). Or to quote RocketSurgeon: "It is a fluke. It's clear that it's a fluke. This is the term used by men like Hawking and Krauss and Feynman and Einstein....We are a cosmic accident,"

Can we say it was a freak accident, without the involvement of a conscious entity? The answer is yes. Can Rocketsurgean say what he said without the involvement of a conscious entity? The answer is yes.

*here

We do "hear" for a purpose.
We are not "here" for a purpose.

When we get done with this topic, can we discuss whether rocks looking at porn is a sin or not ?

Tell me Moh about this hardcore rock porn.

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11-08-2015, 12:54 PM
RE: Rocks with bad intentions
(11-08-2015 12:22 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  You're a fucking moron who can't even accept the basic premise that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Show me the rock's unintentions.

Well, there you go unsurprisingly devolving into some petulant child. When you gathered you composure, and can actually muster a meaningful response, let me know.
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11-08-2015, 01:00 PM
Rocks with bad intentions
(11-08-2015 12:54 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(11-08-2015 12:22 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  You're a fucking moron who can't even accept the basic premise that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Show me the rock's unintentions.

Well, there you go unsurprisingly devolving into some petulant child. When you gathered you composure, and can actually muster a meaningful response, let me know.

When you actually answer the question, I'll consider you worthy

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