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21-10-2013, 05:41 PM
Roman or Latin- which adjective
Hello.

Should I say "Roman architecture" or 'Latin architecture'?

I've gotten away with, so far, using Roman in regard to the specific empire and Latin for the culture in general.

Is that right?
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21-10-2013, 05:42 PM
RE: Roman or Latin- which adjective
I'd say Roman for the empire and Greco-Roman for the culture.

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21-10-2013, 05:44 PM
RE: Roman or Latin- which adjective
(21-10-2013 05:41 PM)The_Thinking_Theist Wrote:  Hello.

Should I say "Roman architecture" or 'Latin architecture'?

I've gotten away with, so far, using Roman in regard to the specific empire and Latin for the culture in general.

Is that right?

Latin is the Language Roman is the civilization. So for architecture or culture it would be Roman.

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21-10-2013, 06:34 PM
RE: Roman or Latin- which adjective
When 'Latin' is used outside linguistic context it's generally taken to refer to pre-Roman or early Roman contexts. As in, when there was such a thing as 'Latin' as distinct from 'Roman'. That is, the Latin League, the cities of Latium, the Roman idea of 'Latin rights', and so on.

The Latin people start to be clearly different from their Oscan or Umbrian neighbours (to say nothing of the Etruscans!) around 1000 BC. After the final Latin War (340 BC) the Romans had conquered all the other 'Latin' peoples, and so after that it only really refers to the language (though of course Latium as a place and the Latin right status persisted).

Latter day usage sometimes has 'Latin' as, loosely, synonymous with 'Romance'... Meh.

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21-10-2013, 07:23 PM
RE: Roman or Latin- which adjective
What of the Latin Empire of Constantinople? Was that referring to it's Frankish founders speaking a Romance language or to something else? Also, are "Latins" people from the south of France, Italy and Hispania (Iberia) or are they anyone in a core Roman province (that would include Croatia, England, Sicily, Jerusalem etc.)
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21-10-2013, 09:01 PM
RE: Roman or Latin- which adjective
(21-10-2013 07:23 PM)The_Thinking_Theist Wrote:  What of the Latin Empire of Constantinople? Was that referring to it's Frankish founders speaking a Romance language or to something else? Also, are "Latins" people from the south of France, Italy and Hispania (Iberia) or are they anyone in a core Roman province (that would include Croatia, England, Sicily, Jerusalem etc.)
Consider

That is referring to the crusader state established at the beginning of the 13th century as a result of lands captured from the Byzantine Empire by the fourth crusade.
It got quickly recaptured by the Byzantine Empire about 60years after it's initial establishment.
It was suppose to be a replacement Eastern Roman Empire considering the Byzantine Empire was Orthodox Christian and not Catholic. It was sort of an attempt to establish Catholicism.

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22-10-2013, 04:47 PM
RE: Roman or Latin- which adjective
(21-10-2013 09:01 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  
(21-10-2013 07:23 PM)The_Thinking_Theist Wrote:  What of the Latin Empire of Constantinople? Was that referring to it's Frankish founders speaking a Romance language or to something else? Also, are "Latins" people from the south of France, Italy and Hispania (Iberia) or are they anyone in a core Roman province (that would include Croatia, England, Sicily, Jerusalem etc.)
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That is referring to the crusader state established at the beginning of the 13th century as a result of lands captured from the Byzantine Empire by the fourth crusade.
It got quickly recaptured by the Byzantine Empire about 60years after it's initial establishment.
It was suppose to be a replacement Eastern Roman Empire considering the Byzantine Empire was Orthodox Christian and not Catholic. It was sort of an attempt to establish Catholicism.

I understand, but what is the denonym for someone of that empire?
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22-10-2013, 07:06 PM
RE: Roman or Latin- which adjective
They probably weren't referred to as that way. They would have probably just been called Greeks or Hellenes, something to describe their culture rather than the state they reside in. You have to remember that culture is far more of a defining characteristic back than than what state you resided in.

The term "Byzantine Empire" didn't arise until the mid 1500's (don't remember the exact date). The Byzantine Empire prior to this date was referred to as Eastern Roman Empire or simply the Roman Empire or sometimes Empire of the Greeks.

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22-10-2013, 07:55 PM
RE: Roman or Latin- which adjective
(22-10-2013 07:06 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  They probably weren't referred to as that way. They would have probably just been called Greeks or Hellenes, something to describe their culture rather than the state they reside in. You have to remember that culture is far more of a defining characteristic back than than what state you resided in.

The term "Byzantine Empire" didn't arise until the mid 1500's (don't remember the exact date). The Byzantine Empire prior to this date was referred to as Eastern Roman Empire or simply the Roman Empire or sometimes Empire of the Greeks.

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23-10-2013, 03:51 AM
RE: Roman or Latin- which adjective
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