Ron Wyatt Finds The Blood Of Christ,Won't Produce It
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01-10-2013, 03:23 AM
RE: Ron Wyatt Finds The Blood Of Christ,Won't Produce It
(30-09-2013 06:47 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(30-09-2013 06:39 AM)excubitor Wrote:  How else would the chariots get out into the sea?

Depending on where they are in relation to shore and depth, sea level rise.

How do you discern chariots, from definitely the chariots that the pharaoh's men rode in as they chased the jewish slaves?

(we can ignore for the moment the paucity of evidence that indicates any jews were ever enslaved by the Egyptians)
Because they are in the middle of the sea with only the biblical account providing an explanation for how they got there. The evidence for Hebrews in Egypt is recorded by historians as the various accounts of the Hyksos. This is affirmed by Josephus who lived 2000 years ago and was much closer to the event than we are. The way that history works is that we take the sometimes wildly variant accounts of events from a number of sources and historians interpret these varying accounts and come up with a most plausible scenario of what might have happened. There is all kinds of conjecture and debate about which of these debates to accept. So in the case of the Hyksos and the Hebrews, there are varying conjectures and theories as to whether they were not the same people. Was the biblical account of the Hebrews a distorted interpretation to favour the Hebrews, or was the accounts of the Hyksos a distorted interpretation to favour the Egyptians. Everybody will have their own theory depending on their bias and the axe they want to grind.

But to say that there is no evidence of a semitic people in Egypt during the 400 years prior to the end of the 15th dynasty which lines up with the timing of the exodus is just ridiculous. The history of the Hyksos clearly describes how the Hyksos were driven out of Egypt at about the time the biblical account describes the Exodus. I notice that you did not say that there is no evidence that a semitic people were driven from Egypt at about the time of the Exodus.

You took a step back and said there is no evidence that the jews were enslaved in Egypt.
The fact that there is no evidence of hebrew slavery in Egypt does not mean that it did not happen. The hittites were discarded as a true people because there was no archaelogical evidence to support the biblical account. Then loe and behold an amazing discover of evidence of the Hittites was found. The Ipuwer Papyrus gives an incredible account with many parallels of the ten plagues of Egypt.

It is a logical fallacy that there must be archaeological evidence to prove that an event from thousands of years ago occurred. First you have to prove the proposition that evidence should remain from all those long thousands of years. Such a proposition cannot be proven and is no more than an opinion. Who knows what amazing events described in the destroyed library of Alexandria never happened because that was the last record of those events.

For example, what evidence would you expect to see of the exodus. The Israelites took everything with them. Why should you imagine they left a trail of garbage along the way? The exodus was a miraculous event. Shoes for example did not wear out in all the 40 years of the exodus. This probably held true for clothing of all kinds of implements. So the notion that they were wandering through the wilderness leaving middens of garbage is erroneus. Even their food was miraculous manna falling from heaven.

Added to this is the fact as explained by Ron Wyatt that most archaelogists have been looking in the wrong place. When Ron started looking in the right place for the exodus he found rather a lot of evidence including the chariot wheels in the depths of the sea, the pillars erected by Solomon to mark the crossing. The rock drawings of the golden calf. The rock with the amazing crack in it which Moses struck to allow the water to flow out of it. The blackened peak of the mountain. Various altars which were erected, and boundary markers around the mountain to mark where the Israelites must not pass.

If these do not constitute evidence of the Exodus then I'm sorry, you cannot be convinced no matter what evidence is ever offered to be brought to an admission that the biblical accounts are true.
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01-10-2013, 03:27 AM
RE: Ron Wyatt Finds The Blood Of Christ,Won't Produce It
(30-09-2013 07:18 AM)NoSkyDaddy Wrote:  
(30-09-2013 06:39 AM)excubitor Wrote:  How else would the chariots get out into the sea?
A ship carrying chariots could have sunk. It's not only more plausible, it's more probable considering how fast wood decays under water. Consider Let's see, ship sinking with chariots or physics defying miracle? Hmmm. Consider
So wooden chariot wheels grow coral on them whereas ships decay and disappear. You are not making sense.
The parting of the Red Sea was a miracle. Not many Christians would attempt to deny this. In fact that is the whole point of the event. To show that God intervenes with his supernatural power to defend and rescue his people.
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01-10-2013, 03:49 AM (This post was last modified: 01-10-2013 08:27 AM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Ron Wyatt Finds The Blood Of Christ,Won't Produce It
(01-10-2013 03:23 AM)excubitor Wrote:  The evidence for Hebrews in Egypt is recorded by historians as the various accounts of the Hyksos. This is affirmed by Josephus who lived 2000 years ago and was much closer to the event than we are.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyksos
The Hyksos were not the Hebrews.
He never ever provides even one reference. He is totally ignorant. He says Wiki is unreliable, yet uses it himself.
All his errors concerning Roman Catholic history lead any reasonable person to concluded he has no clue about anything he says.
His nonsense is so historically laughable , it's not even worth replying to. Josephus was a client of the Roman emperor, whose main goal was to prove Vespasian was the messiah. This guy has never even actually read any of Josephus' works. Josephus had absolutely no way of knowing what had happened a thousand years before. Proximity to a distant event for him, with no tools, would have assisted him in no way. Did excubitor even address this ? No. He could not read hieroglyphics, they did not have any archaeological evidence, and History as a discipline as we know it had not even started. This dude make up stuff, asserts it, and thinks it actually means something, or is of some value. THEN he says his Holy Birdy has endowed him with some sort of "ability" to defend his cult. How pathetic. Jebus no likey.

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01-10-2013, 04:02 AM (This post was last modified: 01-10-2013 04:12 AM by EvolutionKills.)
RE: Ron Wyatt Finds The Blood Of Christ,Won't Produce It
*nothing to see here, move along, move along...*

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01-10-2013, 06:25 AM
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01-10-2013, 07:39 AM
Re: Ron Wyatt Finds The Blood Of Christ,Won't Produce It
This is one long post of non sequiturs, strawmen, and various appeals (authority, history, consensus).

I thought someone promised some evidence of these things?

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01-10-2013, 08:07 AM
RE: Ron Wyatt Finds The Blood Of Christ,Won't Produce It
(30-09-2013 06:39 AM)excubitor Wrote:  
(30-09-2013 05:33 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Could you please post the evidence?

For the blood, why not also the results that indicate it was human and clearly indicated some genetic abnormality?

Photos can't be altered?

Plenty of people have pictures of UFOS claiming them to be alien spacecraft, should I believe them too?

If a photo exists of say, the chariots in the Red Sea, how does this logically connect that they could only possibly be there as a result of the biblical story of the Jews fleeing Egypt?
How else would the chariots get out into the sea?

The photographs show parts of a ship. These look like parts of ships and nothing like chariot wheels.

You are indulging yourself in confirmation bias extraordinaire. Yes

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01-10-2013, 08:29 AM
RE: Ron Wyatt Finds The Blood Of Christ,Won't Produce It
I'm open here. The Exodus may not have occured or have occured at a different time or been allegorical, etc. I'm responding to the post that "archaeology has found no evidence of the Exodus". Questions that come to mind:

*What evidence would we expect archaeology to find 3,500 years after nomadic tent dwellers pass through a shifting desert? What would be the geographic area we would expect to have been researched to make this argument from silence? The whole Sinai? Select samples?

*If we did find middens or garbage dumps, tools, etc. as evidence, what would we need to identify them as belonging to the Israelites? To mark them as part of another group?

Thanks.
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01-10-2013, 08:43 AM
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It's so weird... when I see the name Ron Wyatt in print, I instantly think of Ronnie Wood and Charlie Watts. Crazy.

It isn't so crazy that my mind goes to two, somewhat similar names of guys in a very familiar band I've always liked. What is really, fucking crazy is that this thread has gone on 11 pages and it is still "debating" (I use the term loosely) about the authenticity of this kook and his unsubstantiated, archeological "discoveries"... when this obvious bullshit only serves to prop up legendary fakery.

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01-10-2013, 11:59 AM
RE: Ron Wyatt Finds The Blood Of Christ,Won't Produce It
(01-10-2013 08:29 AM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  I'm open here. The Exodus may not have occured or have occured at a different time or been allegorical, etc. I'm responding to the post that "archaeology has found no evidence of the Exodus". Questions that come to mind:

*What evidence would we expect archaeology to find 3,500 years after nomadic tent dwellers pass through a shifting desert? What would be the geographic area we would expect to have been researched to make this argument from silence? The whole Sinai? Select samples?

*If we did find middens or garbage dumps, tools, etc. as evidence, what would we need to identify them as belonging to the Israelites? To mark them as part of another group?

Thanks.


The Bible claims that Moses left with 600,000 able bodied fighting men. So taking into account women, children, and older family members; you're looking at an estimated population of 2 million people. That would have been more than half the total population of Egypt at that time. Think about that, 2 million people wandering in the desert for 40 years and we haven't found anything? Nada, zilch, squat.






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Also, here is Edward T. Babinski laying the smack-down on Ron Wyatt (and his 'chariot wheel') almost five years ago.

http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.co...cy-dr.html

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